Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
A nation is an agreement. The state provides you with a good life and protection, and in return you pay taxes and help defend the state when the time comes. To breach that agreement is loathesome.

Certainly someone in the US could not look around and say they don't owe the state something? Our high standard of living was achieved not just because of American ingenuity, but because Americans have always held themselves that ancient agreement between man and nation. To pretend otherwise is just selfish, and it shames me to think that these selfish pigs who claim no responsibility to their nation continue to reap the benefits of it.
Is it really? Well you learn something new everyday. It is interesting that a "libertarian" with such a low opinion of central government is so eager to sign up for enslavement by the state and so scathing of those who would not. Especially using the argument that going to war would protect your family and friends. Where do you live? Eugene is it not? Would your fellow citizens be better of with a Paris or a Stalingrad scenario? In the first the state lost and the nation fell but the people lived on. In the second, well...

Yet another badly worded Org poll quickly turned into a cat-fight by certain individuals.