Stalin, worse than Hitler?

[Kraxis]

And this idea that Nazism was "socialist" in origin is nothing more than pure invention by the US Right, which today is keen to distance itself from any association with the movement.

Don't know anything of that actually... It simply doesn't apply to me, I'm Danish. We had a party here which looked up to the Nazis in the 30s (shirts, marching, beating up opponents and flagwaving stuff), but they have since come clean. The fact that I have voted for them makes no point.
I never try to make political point towards history, one of the few thing I pride myself on.

I think you and Rosa are going a little too hard at this. I thought you guys knew me.

I think you are basing your assumption solely on the pretext of the name

Come on now... Have I ever been that shallow?
No, I do not base it on the name as in fact it was a move to gain votes. But just because it was that doesn't mean it didn't have a historical background.
Where Communism sought to spread it's influence to the entire world and potentially all of mankind equally, Nazism had a sort of "our socialism", that few could get close to. Within the construct of Nazism there were many socialist ideas. They took the socialist ideas and developed on them until it fitted their worldview, but many of the ideas remained for the previledged class (and some that weren't, will get to that later).
Call it a perversion of socialism, and I would agree. But to come with the classical kneejerk comment that there was no connection... Well I just think that is wrong, and I think it is equally political as to the mentioned US right changing it to Socialist.

Let me say it this way: I do not think Nazism was/is Socialism or even has political connection to it. What I say it that it was based on that, that the social ideas were to a great extent derived from it. The theory contained many similarities for the previledged.

As to them, in Nazism they were the Aryans. In Socialism (the hard one) it was the workers. They were the groups that would benefit the most. But the while the Nazis dealed in Übermenchen and Untermenchen, there were also many in between, even in Germany. People like the French, Italians ect. But such people were included into the system and enjoyed many of the same benefits. They weren't persecuted, instead they were included into the 'closed' social construct.
Where it was the Untermenchen that were persecuted under Nazism it was the landowners that were persecuted under the hard Socialism. The theory even goes so far as to say it would have to be so. It is also interesting to note how the Nazis used Jewish wealth as an argument... not too far from the 'evil landowner'.

If the positions on the spectrum forced any war, then it is surprising that no war was initiated because one side was capitalistic and the other Socialist. Even Korea and Vietnam were not wars of ideology, they were wars because of bad settlements. In both cases the North made was because they wanted the South, for economical and nationalistic reasons. They used ideology to keep the soldiers going, of course, why not?
So I don't buy into the political spectrum as a reason for war.
As I have said, Hitler had a deepseated hatred for communism after WWI, because of what he percieved to be the reason for the loss in that war. I hope nobody denies his 'backstab' legend as being a great part of his legacy and reasons for war.
I do however agree that it wouldn't have been important if the Soviet Union was communist or not, he would still have attacked.

I charge both of you to find a speech made by Hitler in 1919 in the socialist party he had joined. When I heard it there was no doubt who it was, the words were different however. And personally I think he was being serious about what he said, and that only later did he form the more Nazi ideas.
It is this point Ithink that is important. His political growth was formed here, and where you start out will alsmost always have an impact on the future. In this case I think he retained some of the earlier beliefs and carried them over to his new destiny.
Btw, Hitler wasn't even memeber #1 in NSDAP, those were the older members of the socialist party.

Please... do not think me some kind of political animal that wan't to send the ball onto the other field. I don't even know that kind of game. Nor am I revisionist. I'm just sitting here and looking at it, making conclusions.