The creation of the Universe.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 03-14-2006, 10:34

ZainDustin, your treading a thin line, the statement i have qouted below is vergeing on judgemental which is a very serious sin. I don't agree that your as bad as Nav but you must understand that god is the only one who may judge others beliefs.

Originally Posted by ZainDustin

If you don't, you need help. (You meaning anyone). Christians who believe in Big Bang are definently not on the same page as God.
-ZainDustin

Don't forget this is a games forum, not many people here are being veryserious (apart from the aformentioned Nav) the bible has a great creation story that mirrors the big bang as much as any bronze age text could and more then you would expect it to. although the big bang is not a hole proof theory.

There is not danger in debating trust me on this i have never lost my faith in a debate but i have gained perspective which is very important. You should know the difference between Peter and Paul they were different people with different perspectives.

evolution also fits in with the creation story in genesis, look at the order in which the species are created.

**Zain** · 03-14-2006, 14:08

Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary

ZainDustin, your treading a thin line, the statement i have qouted below is vergeing on judgemental which is a very serious sin. I don't agree that your as bad as Nav but you must understand that god is the only one who may judge others beliefs.

Don't forget this is a games forum, not many people here are being veryserious (apart from the aformentioned Nav) the bible has a great creation story that mirrors the big bang as much as any bronze age text could and more then you would expect it to. although the big bang is not a hole proof theory.

There is not danger in debating trust me on this i have never lost my faith in a debate but i have gained perspective which is very important. You should know the difference between Peter and Paul they were different people with different perspectives.

evolution also fits in with the creation story in genesis, look at the order in which the species are created.

You've been following this discussion, haven't you? :detective:

As I have been talking with everyone, I realize now saying that was wrong, although I still see the Big Bang as wrong.

-ZainDustin

**mystic brew** · 03-14-2006, 15:46

glad you acknowledge a mistake. it speaks well of you.

But can we investigate why you think the big bang is wrong? In the original form, the creation is in poetry, in figurative language, yes? and Jesus spoke in parables all the time... I don't see how the bible supports this creationism.

I'd just be interested to hear why?

**Zain** · 03-14-2006, 22:48

Originally Posted by mystic brew

glad you acknowledge a mistake. it speaks well of you.

But can we investigate why you think the big bang is wrong? In the original form, the creation is in poetry, in figurative language, yes? and Jesus spoke in parables all the time... I don't see how the bible supports this creationism.

I'd just be interested to hear why?

Thanks, I'm glad my name has been uplifted to not just the person everyone beats up on because of my beliefs (Which happened for 3 days or so) and I still held up.

I believe the Big Bang is wrong, because it just doesn't make sense. Why would God have created a huge explosion, waited until all of that time for the Universe to form, and then seperate the waters from the Earth, make light and day, create humans and animals and plants? To me, it doesn't make any sense why he would do that, if he could create the whole Universe with just a thought.

It is true that the bible is poetic, and doesn't always mean what it says, in gramatical terms.

-ZainDustin

**Papewaio** · 03-14-2006, 23:00

Originally Posted by ZainDustin

Thanks, I'm glad my name has been uplifted to not just the person everyone beats up on because of my beliefs (Which happened for 3 days or so) and I still held up.

I believe the Big Bang is wrong, because it just doesn't make sense. Why would God have created a huge explosion, waited until all of that time for the Universe to form, and then seperate the waters from the Earth, make light and day, create humans and animals and plants? To me, it doesn't make any sense why he would do that, if he could create the whole Universe with just a thought.

It is true that the bible is poetic, and doesn't always mean what it says, in gramatical terms.

-ZainDustin

I can create a French Toast with a thought... that is the design process.

The implementation process has to be done in order and has a time dependancy attached to it.

Souffle's are even harder... interrupt the process at the wrong point and you have a muffin.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 03-15-2006, 11:44

A question to both big bang and God supporters: if the universe was created, what existed before universe?

**InsaneApache** · 03-15-2006, 11:50

Nothing.

**mystic brew** · 03-15-2006, 12:23

Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

A question to both big bang and God supporters: if the universe was created, what existed before universe?

another counter intuitive answer, i'm afraid, but the thing we have to understand is that 'time' is a dimension...

Since time is only a creation of the universe, there was no before!

and no, i don't really get it, either

**mystic brew** · 03-15-2006, 12:22

Originally Posted by ZainDustin

Thanks, I'm glad my name has been uplifted to not just the person everyone beats up on because of my beliefs (Which happened for 3 days or so) and I still held up.

I believe the Big Bang is wrong, because it just doesn't make sense. Why would God have created a huge explosion, waited until all of that time for the Universe to form, and then seperate the waters from the Earth, make light and day, create humans and animals and plants? To me, it doesn't make any sense why he would do that, if he could create the whole Universe with just a thought.

ah, the backroom is just that... it's a low ceilinged smokey bar and you can expect to take a few bruises. The thing to watch out for is people flogging their own point of view without listening. It's best not to debate with those that don't have open minds. You listened, you realised you were mistaken, you apologised. Good on you!

So, back to the big bang.
but... if i can paraphrase something you said earlier in this thread.
"God exists outside time".
This answers your query with the big bang in one simple step. god didn't have to wait for anything. if he's outside time, then length of time means absolutely bugger all.

The elegant simplicity is astounding...

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 03-14-2006, 15:58

Originally Posted by ZainDustin

As I have been talking with everyone, I realize now saying that was wrong, although I still see the Big Bang as wrong.

-ZainDustin

im sceptical of the theory myself, heck i started a thread about it once:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=59837

**Moros** · 03-14-2006, 22:21

okay I haven't read the whole thread but anyway

I thought the Huble had made fotographs wich still shows some evidence about the theory. (And it's by Lemaitre, a Belgian, so it can't be wrong

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And what about the cosmic microwave background radiation? WMAP has made pictues of this.

Tough I don't get all about this, and there might be some questions and perhaps some contra dictions there's a reason it is accepted by most Astronomors. And there seems to be some proof. (perhaps not much but still.)