What if Nazi Germany did not invade Poland?

[ShadesWolf]

A very interesting question. If Poland had of handed over Danzig then they might have been ignored.

But I still feel Germany would have ended up fighting the USSR as Germany need 'breathing space' for its population to expand into.
The east had been its area in the first wolrd war and still would have been in the second. It was only a matter of time before hitler declared war on USSR, France was only a temp conflict to remove them from the equation, USSR was always going to be the enemy.

As for the Jewish question, this is a highly debated subject, and again a feel (personally) they were also on the agenda from day one.

[fenir]

Kocmoc,

In 12 years you still haven't learnt.
I tried to explain all this to you in 05/06, about finanical instrutments. And still you dont get it.

Most of the banks in the world have a British or American Owner. The top 10 banks, out side of china, unless you saying chinese are Jews. Are all British & American.

A Bond, is when the Government borrows your money for an interest rate return on maturity. It's called a loan. A specific kind of loan.
And I dont mean this in a bad way, but anything you have put down in this thread as with the others about finance, or banking, after 12 years, is still wrong.

Brenus
Franco-Prussian War (1870)

What was behind it was that it had always been German, and the french pinched it in ~AD1670, and German was always trying to get it back. And of course once germany united, it was able too. All that area was majority German population once. Read the French government ethnic and cultural report, and the methods they used to "ethnically cleanse" it, their words.
Strassburg was still majority German in AD1914 before the French started the Alsace-lothraingia (lorraine in french) explusions. And you wonder where Hitler got the idea?


Sincerely


fenir

[Brenus]

“What was behind it was that it had always been German, and the french pinched it in ~AD1670, and German was always trying to get it back. And of course once germany united, it was able too. All that area was majority German population once. Read the French government ethnic and cultural report, and the methods they used to "ethnically cleanse" it, their words. Strassburg was still majority German in AD1914 before the French started the Alsace-lothraingia (lorraine in french) explusions. And you wonder where Hitler got the idea?”

Few things when you discuss History: I suggest you to get your facts right: Germany didn’t exist in 1681. Germany was created in 1870, so Germany couldn’t try to get it back as Germany did not exist. The population living in Alsace-Lorraine is still speaking a Germanic Language but it doesn’t make them German. Or USA is still English.
Please provide the documents for the ethnic and cultural reports; I am curious to see them. And yes, I wonder where Hitler got his idea, because I am still curious to see the equivalent of Concentration and Extermination Camps in France...

[fenir]

Brenus,

Germany didn’t exist in 1681

Yes it did. It was called Heiliges Römisches Reich, in english Holy Roman Empire. By your example, France didn't exist either.

Germany was created in 1870

Only modern Germany as the political entity. Thats like saying a Ritter is a knight, but it's not true. Until you know what kind of Ritter you can't tell. Same as with all german titles and lands, it's very complicated.

The population living in Alsace-Lorraine is still speaking a Germanic Language but it doesn’t make them German.

Actually today it is more or less ~10% german and for a longtime it was illegal to teach german, or provide state funds for german schools.

Hmmm very semantic statement, you because, or you aren't because. If you speak french you aren't French? Or is A germanic language. English is a Germanic spoken language of latin.
So what you are saying, is because they speak French, which is germanic, they are german? Or French?
Historically the population was German. Even today, the French Cultural Department considers and lists them as French, German French, or French Speaking Germans. Or to individualise, Alsations which is the usual modern diffinition.

You will need to have access to a university library, research Lothringia. Rather than Lorraine.You will need to request Micro finch from various soruces inculding the french, who are usually touchie about it. Go through Paris University. It makes it easier if french Govt thinks it's for their own Uni.
In general, Research Swabian History, Lothringia and Alasse were both parts of Swabia, though up around Frankfurt and Mainz, you will get into the orginal Franken Duchy of the rhine area.
You will also need to pour though alot of documents, census, manor lists et cetera...

Look under the following.
Herzogtum Lothringen
Grafen im Elass
Swabisce sp?
Bistum bellum AD1261.
Plafgrafen bein Rhein.
Herzogtum Lutzelburg (Luxembourg actual, and orginal name).
So many. Actually type in Heiliges Römisches Reich AD1400, AD1648 should give a good maps and stats online, I just brought up thousands. It's in German though.

My Orginal writings were of the Kurfurst von und zu Hohengeroldseck, of modern Baden-Baden / Elass and Lothringia; ie eg Swabia. There were 6 branchs of the family, and they lived all through the area which is how I come to know so much about it's history. But that was 20 years ago, I will look and see if I can find it.

Sorry about spellings, but not being german it is hard to remember the rules and this puter doesn't do german or french convert.


Sincerely

fenir

[Sarmatian]

Or is A germanic language. English is a Germanic spoken language of latin.
So what you are saying, is because they speak French, which is germanic, they are german? Or French?
Historically the population was German. Even today, the French Cultural Department considers and lists them as French, German French, or French Speaking Germans. Or to individualise, Alsations which is the usual modern diffinition.

I'm not very familiar with the history of the region, your idea of languages is way off.

English is a Germanic spoken language of latin

What does this even mean? English is a Germanic language, but there are no connections whatsoever with Latin, except borrowed words.

And French is definitely not a Germanic language, it'a Romance language.

[Brenus]

“By your example, France didn't exist either” Louis the XIV wasn’t the King of France? That is new. So, what was his Kingdom names?

“for a longtime it was illegal to teach german, or provide state funds for german schools”: Sources? The main newspaper in Alsace is printed in Alsatian. And German is taught in French Schools. And the official language in France is French by the Constitution, so no German Schools will be financed by the State, nor Algerian, Russian, Portuguese etc. The “francisation” of France (when local languages were banned) happened after 1870 with the development of the school system (Laic and compulsory) under Jules Ferry, so Alsace was not French. It came back in 1918, and yes, the Germans forbade French when they occupied the territory.

“Hmmm very semantic statement”: Nope, it is the core of the problem. You claim that because the population speak a kind of Germanic language (as were the Franks, from where the name France comes from) that makes them German. You ignored the will of the population (the Alsatians Representative of the 1st Assembly of the 1st Republic, during the Federation Commemoration held on the 14th of July 1790, acknowledged and pledged the belonging of Alsace to France Territory.
France is not an ethnic, Religious or Language State. Borders changed, populations are various, so languages. It is a political contract based roughly on the values of Enlightenment and the Republic.

“Historically the population was German”: Based on what? So were the Franks.

“Even today, the French Cultural Department considers and lists them as French, German French, or French Speaking Germans” Sources? Because the French Constitution forbids distinction and that is why it is difficult to know Religion and Ethnic Backgrounds of the French Population (no distinction will be made blab la bla). You just made claim you cannot sustain. And such list will be done by the former “Renseignements Généraux” kind of internal half secret police, if it would be done.

And you still didn’t answer about where Hitler founded his idea in France.

[Empire*Of*Media]

the only reason of defeat of Nazis was the hitlers mistake to invade Soviets !! if he would take old fox GREAT BRITAIN First then invade the enemy's curse land "RUSSIA" and if hitler would listen to Grand ERWIN ROMMEL now all the world was German soil !!and many nations would survive from these imperialists !!