IS there Really "honor" (honour for you brits) in RTW or any TW games??

[BHCWarman88]

not really

if I do good deeds, I don't think I leave the "impression" of "honor" in it, rather I fight Rev (and beat him) in a Friendly Fight,X, or in a Rival Battle Against someone who Betray my Clan, Fame and Glory, but not honor..

[Tomisama]

Honour is that which preserves the dignity of the human spirit.

It’s how you treat people, that makes you an honourable person.

Not how many battles you win.

The glory of your victories will soon be forgotten.

But the kindness and respect you show for others, will not.

So is there really any honour in Total War games?

No.

But there is in some of it’s players…

[AggonyDuck]

Yes, definately. It is a matter of behaviour towards other and being fair. Anyone who uses the argument that it is just a game fails to see that a game is an extension of the real life and that you're dealing with real persons here. There is no difference between game/real life when it comes to social contact. The biggest difference is that there is really nothing stopping you from behaving in any way you please, which really makes it admirable that some people actually are capable of being friendly and fair towards others.
This is what honour in essence is.

[NihilisticCow]

I would agree with Tomi. The only honour is in how people are and behave. Whether you win or lose is irrelevant towards that, so any game does not have honour in isolation.

[Orda Khan]

Honour, with regards to TW battles, is determined by the approach to the game. Hurling abuse, mocking opponents etc is simply bad behaviour and one could deem it dishonourable. Playing the game fairly and being courtious to an opponent is generally considered to be honourable. Tomi and Aggony Duck have explained the idea very well

.......Orda

[Monarch]

not really

if I do good deeds, I don't think I leave the "impression" of "honor" in it, rather I fight Rev (and beat him) in a Friendly Fight,X, or in a Rival Battle Against someone who Betray my Clan, Fame and Glory, but not honor..

I am sorry? This is a moot point but as your challenging the idea of honour I shall I challenge this idea. But fame, if you win a total war battle, which you so passionatly define as just as game (something we agree on) then how is there fame? Do you really think your famous for winning a battle?

Also glory. I know we are not the best of friends warman so I wish to go about this little debate in a proper way. So I checked the definition of glory up on dictionary.com

Glory - Great honor, praise, or distinction accorded by common consent; renown.

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Now wait a minute, they define glory as great honour, but you said there's no honour, so how can there be glory? :P

Now onto the main topic, let's be honest, this idea of honour is very much overblown throughout the RTW community, it's a war game, so the link will always be there. And it's all in your interpretation of honour really, if you think of honour as something very great then no it's not particularly present, however if you view it as just upholding certain values and being civil etc then it is present.

[Tomisama]

(Looking at the question a different way.)

“is there Really "honor" in RTW or Any TW games?”

Rome and BI are currently crippled by the lack of main foyer communications.

It occurred to me that without that public forum, that some very important things are not taking place there.

For example:

The general hellos, and replies of recognition.

The open request for help with some problem.

And the replies of those who are willing to lend assistance.

The announcement of player needed openings, with encouraging welcomes.

The requests for passwords, replies of thanks (for including me).

Salutes of “good game” and kudos of “well done” from warriors returning from a game.

The apologies for self assumed poor performance, and “no problem” condolences.


All of these things (and I am sure there are many more), make up the fabric of the tapestry of an honourable community. These simple amenities are the life blood of the camaraderie.

Without them, the sense of belonging to something larger than your self dwindles. And with no reference, the individuals sense accomplishment is lost.

So if you only play these latest silent-foyer games, I don’t blame you for thinking that there is no honour…

[BHCWarman88]

Yeah,

you dealing with Real People here, but it a game,where you "kill men" on "battlefields" genetrated by the Computer..
so there can't be honor in Killing People, Real Life or in a Game..


say gg or good job

it a kind Act, but it not going to make the people say "oh my god,Warmna88 said gl hf!!"
cuz, I say GL HF 3 times every game, and GG 4 times,and I sure you guys do aslo, but it not going to make them say who is who said that,come on, People going to remember you of what you did and if you was a Flamer or not and if you was in a CWB/CWC Winning Clan or not, not if you honorable or not..

[Wishazu]

(Looking at the question a different way.)

“is there Really "honor" in RTW or Any TW games?”

Rome and BI are currently crippled by the lack of main foyer communications.

It occurred to me that without that public forum, that some very important things are not taking place there.

For example:

The general hellos, and replies of recognition.

The open request for help with some problem.

And the replies of those who are willing to lend assistance.

The announcement of player needed openings, with encouraging welcomes.

The requests for passwords, replies of thanks (for including me).

Salutes of “good game” and kudos of “well done” from warriors returning from a game.

The apologies for self assumed poor performance, and “no problem” condolences.


All of these things (and I am sure there are many more), make up the fabric of the tapestry of an honourable community. These simple amenities are the life blood of the camaraderie.

Without them, the sense of belonging to something larger than your self dwindles. And with no reference, the individuals sense accomplishment is lost.

So if you only play these latest silent-foyer games, I don’t blame you for thinking that there is no honour…

Chat has been back up and running for a few weeks now

[BHCWarman88]

Chat been back for weeks now yo

[Tomisama]

Weeks now yo…

Ah, good.

Ok!

Now you can begin to study the interaction of individual players.

And over the next four years, how they mix and match, what drives them, how they organize, and how those organizations fail. But most important, why people play, why they ban together, and what is required to keep them together, and keep them playing.

Then maybe we’ll talk again. And then maybe you can tell me, better than I have been able to explain to you, the difference between glory and honour. Although they are almost impossible to completely separate.

I’ll give you a clue that may help to unravel some of the inter-weavings of these two words. Perhaps you can build on that.

Glory is almost always earned by achievement, and honour by sacrifice.

Cheers

[BHCWarman88]

lol

I played RTW for 1 year 3 months
I am played MTW for 8+ Months now
and I am starting to play STW online, I'm not a noob to TW MP Tomi..



"Now you can begin to study the interaction of individual players."

I already have, been doing it for little over 2 years

[Just A Girl]

Play STW...
Honour is a must.

[BHCWarman88]

hey Girl, 1 more psot away from 1,400,lol

STW is where Most Clans started at,alongwith most people ,but only a few people and very few clans fro mSTW are still alive,sadly..