IS there Really "honor" (honour for you brits) in RTW or any TW games??

[Monarch]

lol

I played RTW for 1 year 3 months
I am played MTW for 8+ Months now
and I am starting to play STW online, I'm not a noob to TW MP Tomi..



"Now you can begin to study the interaction of individual players."

I already have, been doing it for little over 2 years

My friend has shoggy and rome, skipping mtw but he's been playing tw from the off. I meanwhile got rtw for chistmas (my first tw game) however in that short time I can kick his ass on BI with clear victory after clear victory meanwhile my knowledge of tw community is also greater than his. My point? Numbers count for jack.

It's like saying a 15 year old is automatically cleverer at maths than a 13 year old because he's been to school for longer, which in turn is of course bullshit.

You can't just real off numbers and expect to be hailed as somebody who knows it all.

[Puzz3D]

I played chess for many years. It's customary for the opponents to shake hands before they start the game as an indication that they are entering into the competition in a spirit of fair play. In other words, "may the best man win". Typing GL before starting a battle in Total War is equivalent to making that handshake. I stop short of typing HF because I'm there to beat my opponent, and, if I give him a sound thrashing, it's not going to be much fun for him.

After, a chess game the looser will often compliment the opponent on his play saying something like "that was a nice combination you played" or some other statement which indicates the looser recognizes the opponents skill. It can be hard to do that if you realy wanted to win that game. For instance, your opponent was a lower rated player or that loss knocked you out of a tournament you thought you might win. Typing GG after a Total War battle is recognizing your opponent's skill and an indication that you aren't a sore looser. Many times the winner will point out to the looser what it was he took advantage of to get the win, and point out where the loosers play was good

These aftergame courtesies won't occur if a player sees his opponent doing unsportsmanlike stuff during the game. For instance in a chess game, smirking at a move you make to undermine your confidence or trying to distract you while you're thinking. If you end up paired against that player again, there probably won't be any handshake before the game.

The thing is people need successes in their real world lives so that winning a game doesn't become overly important. If someone doesn't type GL before or GG after a battle, I don't hold it against them.

[Tomisama]

“If you end up paired against that player again, there probably won't be any handshake before the game.”

Or the worst case scenario (in Total War terms), they probably won’t play with you again. And when there have been enough rude encounters, people just leave the game. That’s what has been happening to our community for some time now. That’s why the Code of Honour came into being. It was a effort to stem the receding tide of players, by establishing a code for people who wanted to have a decent online environment.

Not that too much was expected of it (The Code), but it was worth a try. And to a certain extent it has been successful, with two hundred and fifty six players signed as of this weekend.

Now there is this thread, where a Code Signer is claiming that there is no honour. So is this true? Has personal self esteem and respect for others lost out? Is it now only about top dog, and winning at all cost? No comrades in arms who appreciate each others being there, so they have someone to play against?

[Orda Khan]

Now there is this thread, where a Code Signer is claiming that there is no honour. So is this true? Has personal self esteem and respect for others lost out? Is it now only about top dog, and winning at all cost? No comrades in arms who appreciate each others being there, so they have someone to play against?

What does that tell you about the sign of the times Tomi? I guess you could say we have always been taught this but it certainly seems to have more emphasis these days than when I was a youngster. Some youngsters these days even look up to Gangster Rappers. How can anyone be impressed by some guy with a record for gun crimes? Sometimes I despair

......Orda

[Puzz3D]

And when there have been enough rude encounters, people just leave the game.

That didn't stop me or my clan from playing. It was the gameplay that did that. When only 2 of the 4 tactical elements are effective, the game becomes uninteresting after a while. I must have played 5000 online battles in MTW + VI, and I'm tired of the cav/sword armies. Seems like a lot of players moved on to other games, and it wasn't RTW with it's inferior gameplay and bad foyer.

Even if you figure out some rules or make a mod that improves gameplay, it will never attract more than a percentage of the existing community of players. The basic unmodified game has to be good enough to attract a large number of people who are interested in playing the game for the sake of the gameplay. I think those kinds of players tend to be honorable because they don't want the gameplay degraded. That's not to say they won't play the game to its fullest extend and try their best to win, but they tend to respect their opponent and actually want them to put up the best fight possible. That's why you see experienced players helping less experienced players. It's all part of a community structure that I think has to have a well executed game as the foundation.

[BHCWarman88]

I played 1000 or so games on MTW:VI, in the last four days, I played 2 VI games (been busy,so I wiggle some battles in) and 5000 or so on RTW aslo,Puzz

More Expericned Players helping the Less Expercined ones or Helping New Players,which we like to call noobs??

certainly I do, I fought this guy 3 times in a row, and he is in a clan named BRO now,and if it wasn't for me helping him, he may not be on now

though,most new people make me mad,so I dont help them

[Tomisama]

"certainly I do, I fought this guy 3 times in a row, and he is in a clan named BRO now,and if it wasn't for me helping him, he may not be on now"

So there is honour in Total War games, and it is you

[x-dANGEr]

Warman, don't you get it? It isn't about numbers. Puzz3d used that expression only to clear that he's bored of the same 'general' tactics (At least I think he did :P ).

@Tomi: I don't know were you see that happen. I play regularly and still can't find so much hostality in the community, if it is a new player, he'd be polite, mature and will ask you for tips, and if he's not, then you just play. Their is only 1 person in my whole total war carrer, that ever disappointed me in his actions, that is that he said the rules and obeyed non of them, saying in the battle, that war has no rules.. What I'm wondering about is, are you a bit exaggerating their, or you do find it as you described?

[BHCWarman88]

My friend has shoggy and rome, skipping mtw but he's been playing tw from the off. I meanwhile got rtw for chistmas (my first tw game) however in that short time I can kick his ass on BI with clear victory after clear victory meanwhile my knowledge of tw community is also greater than his. My point? Numbers count for jack.

It's like saying a 15 year old is automatically cleverer at maths than a 13 year old because he's been to school for longer, which in turn is of course bullshit.

You can't just real off numbers and expect to be hailed as somebody who knows it all.

and on the First 8 Games on RTW, my Third Major TW game (Major meaning new Title, Expasion packs are minior) I won 6 out of my first 8 games on RTW, and 5 out of 6 of my first games on MTW,and by the time you read this, I am already starting my STW legacy (legacy is the only good word I thought of)..

Number doesn't matter all the time, but it can sure in Heck Matter though