Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
Divinus Arma - The poll is not bias, I don't really understand what it could be bias against. Unfortunately as you have pointed out, the US is a far more right wing country than the UK. Over here we still have - although weakened - a sense of social democracy and not simply free market mayhem, for instance.
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Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
I was kidding.Originally Posted by JAG
As for the free market "mayhem", you are absolutely right. And it is why the UK is the world's economic leader, more powerful than any other country in the history of the world. Oh wait. Nevermind. That would be us. heh heh.
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Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
"Communist"...ahem...China is comming....
Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
I would certainly say that at it's height The british empire was more powerful relatively than the US today. 1/4 of the worlds population... but its what ifs, so i'll concede that the US is massively powerful.
But as a country, the UK economy punches well above it's weight. we are one of the G8, when, as a country with 65 million, we have a tiny population, and yet our social care to the poor is better than the states...
Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
Heh. Center-leaning Centrist. How about that?
I lied & said I was a Londoner, a Guardian reader, a 2001 Labour voter, an '05 Respect voter. I chose some pretty extreme views on the 'values' bit of the poll, and yet came out middle-of-the-road. Looking at the comparison analysis, it looks like the UK is divvied up into thirds: one-third rightists, one-third leftists, one-third centrists, roughly speaking.
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Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
but what i also find interesting is that the 'tail' of the left wing is a lot longer than the right wing one... the right seems very short indeed.
Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
You righty on economic matters!! *shocked!* :p
Heh. Center-leaning Centrist. How about that?
I lied & said I was a Londoner, a Guardian reader, a 2001 Labour voter, an '05 Respect voter. I chose some pretty extreme views on the 'values' bit of the poll, and yet came out middle-of-the-road. Looking at the comparison analysis, it looks like the UK is divvied up into thirds: one-third rightists, one-third leftists, one-third centrists, roughly speaking.
But yes, our society is pretty even I guess, it has been like that for at least 50 years. Although Blair seems ot think two thirds of people in this country are rabid right wingers and so panders to that small minority almost daily.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
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Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
Yet the child death rate and mal nutrition in some states / counties, is shockingly third world rates. Proud of that? The rich are so rich they are more powerful than anyone else in the world, yet the poor rot like those in the Sudan? Great country, I am quite proud of the fact we balance things better than you do over there.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
Do you have links to back up these claims JAG. I find it hard to belive the USA is on the same level as Sudan.
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Re : Political view - A British angle on the question
Infant mortality rates rank
The higher up the list, the lesser the mortality rate:
USA - 184
Cuba - 186
Greece - 194
UK - 198
EU - 200
France, Germany - 215, 216
Sweden - 225
Singapore - 226
So, for a developed country, the US is rather low on that list. Below Greece and Cuba.
In the US, good healthcare is more a matter of access than availability, so I assume that suburban America has a very low infant mortality rate, close to France and Germany, and the American poor have a mortality rate comparable to the Ukraine or Sri Lanka.
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Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after.
But lets not turn this into an abortion thread.
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Re: Political view - A British angle on the question
You won't really have one. The Conservatives cannot really be compared to the Republicans, and New Labour is nearly as right wing as the Conservatives. Plus, Conservatives are far too pushy on the morality side, from what I gather your tastes are. Besides some of the terribly silly legislation that New Labour tries to push through, they have become a near mirror of the Alan Greenspan economics, and Britain is reaping the reward. I would say that it is integral to understanding the politics over here to always keep in mind that their constitution is no where near as ingrained in ours, and so legislation that would never pass, let alone be considered, in the States happens all the time here. The Conservatives are looking like a good choice, if they continue to drop their soap-box on moral issues; the bottom line is that everybody is quite sick of Blair. Bring out the Gordon Brown in all of his capitalistic and socially-centrist majesty.
I've never truly understood the arguments that attempt to draw some link between social healthcare and the free market. How are they mutually exclusive? They're not at all. You can have a free market and at the same time, you can have a very healthy population. People always cite these compelling interests; what is more compelling than your citizens' health? This is reform that I would wholeheartedly support in the States, but nobody is brave enough to seriously try to get it through. 'Tis a shame. If private Hospitals remained, yet if there was semi-social healthcare system that tried to improve the lives of citizens, all of the health companies would be even more interested in developing new methods and technologies. Less money on risky military programs like Star Wars, and more looking after -- yes that's right, looking after -- our citizens that cannot afford their healthcare. When somebody doesn't have money for medical treatment I propose that we do the good Christian thing and help them get medical treatment.
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Re: Re : Political view - A British angle on the question
Hm, what nation has the most liberal abortion laws? I'll give you a hint, it's the land of the extremes.Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after.
Anyway got centrist on the economic scale (0,3) and left on other scale (-3,1).
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Re: Re : Political view - A British angle on the question
There are probably far more abortions carried out - and at a later time in the pregnancy too - over there than here. What a silly response to the question I posed.Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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