Another strike towards sanity

[LeftEyeNine]

No doubt these are sick bastards. But I think if bashing, killing, torturing and other reactions are what you think they deserve then so do the proper homosexuals. I think sexual perversion (no matter which degree it is) is something from the birth and and through your unexplored corners of brain. Can you decide what looks or feels attractive to you? No. Of course this does not mean these criminals are not threatening the peace of a society. But I wanted to point out that in terms of "sex", one can not be abused above some degree. It's not what you choose. It's widely about the way you are from the birth and the environment you were exposed after it.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

No doubt these are sick bastards. But I think if bashing, killing, torturing and other reactions are what you think they deserve then so do the proper homosexuals. I think sexual perversion (no matter which degree it is) is something from the birth and and through your unexplored corners of brain. Can you decide what looks or feels attractive to you? No. Of course this does not mean these criminals are not threatening the peace of a society. But I wanted to point out that in terms of "sex", one can not be abused above some degree. It's not what you choose. It's widely about the way you are from the birth and the environment you were exposed after it.

Agreed.

[mystic brew]

No doubt these are sick bastards. But I think if bashing, killing, torturing and other reactions are what you think they deserve then so do the proper homosexuals.

I agree with some of what you say, but can we please be very clear that homosexuality and paedophilia are two ENTIRELY different things?

[BigTex]

Those peadophiles need to be tar and feathered!!!! Sick f***s need to be cleansed from society, screwing up innocent children.



Torture and use them for medical testing.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Those peadophiles need to be tar and feathered!!!! Sick f***s need to be cleansed from society, screwing up innocent children.



Torture and use them for medical testing.

You and SFTS need to get together...

[Soulforged]

There's no difference between pedofilia and other cases of sexual tastes. The one action that is criminal, and reasonable so, is molesting and raping. As far as I'm concerned pedophiles are not sick. Conducts such as those can be seen on the natural world around us and they're pretty normal. People who socialize, at least a part of their lives, learn to control their basic instincts, people who don't socialize are no more than animals, they don't learn the way of man they simply live by instinct. Every pedophile, by instance, demostrates how much marginalization there's on society, and every case solved (and I mean by socializing the person), demostrates how responsable and devoloped a society is. Punishment is not a solution just an analgesic. You want a rapid solution to this, there isn't any, if you want a real solution then talk to that one that you never talked offer him help or treat him as an equal, that prevents this kind of behavior.

[Ja'chyra]

Boohoo, the poor defenceless paedo's are really the victims, we should do all we can to help them.

What utter bollocks, as is all the "Every society is judged by how it looks after those most vulnerable and sick" when applied to sexual predators. Society's, and every adults therein, duty is to look after the future, the children, and if that means that all paedophiles are locked away for life then I would say that is a bargain, and well worth it.

If counselling can help them before they commit crimes then, by all means, save two lives, this can only be a good thing, but, once the crime has been committed they should be excised like the cancer on society they are.

Conducts such as those can be seen on the natural world around us and they're pretty normal

So is cannabilism and killing the young of different fathers, hell some animals even eat their own young, should we be encouraging them too?

Once again, tree hugging taken to extremes You can't save everyone, and some don't even deserve the effort.

[Soulforged]

Boohoo, the poor defenceless paedo's are really the victims, we should do all we can to help them.

Needless to say that an emotional response don't make a sound arguement.

What utter bollocks, as is all the "Every society is judged by how it looks after those most vulnerable and sick" when applied to sexual predators. Society's, and every adults therein, duty is to look after the future, the children, and if that means that all paedophiles are locked away for life then I would say that is a bargain, and well worth it.

Pedophilia generally starts at an early age, puberty. If you're looking to the future then help that one that's being marginalized, that IN FACT demonstrates how much socialized everyone is.

If counselling can help them before they commit crimes then, by all means, save two lives, this can only be a good thing, but, once the crime has been committed they should be excised like the cancer on society they are.

So if the rest of society fails to provide the care they need to this mentally "deviated" man or woman you say "to hell with them". That's not even a solution, you cannot make scraps and rewrites with human life. I'm not sure of the next, but I think most pedophiles never commit crimes, they do however satisfy their sexual tastes by looking for naive (and not so naive) childs, if you're so worried.

So is cannabilism and killing the young of different fathers, hell some animals even eat their own young, should we be encouraging them too?

I don't remember using the word "encourage". My idea is exactly the opposite, but to do that you can't simply send them all to hell, you've to socialize with them and in turn they do the same with you. That's a perfect way to reduce canibalism too.

Once again, tree hugging taken to extremes You can't save everyone, and some don't even deserve the effort.

Is not tree hugging at all. Many people that take punishment as the first resolution before every subject that appears as morally regreatable primera facie forget to check reallity and logic from time to time. The problem here is untamed behavior, the charge of socialization is on society itself, the individual generally is too weak to face all society as one, so he needs friends, he needs people, he needs someone who can help him pass throughout his life and learn to be an human, if nobody is disposed to do that then I think that we've already lost a far better value than upright sexual tastes. Don't you believe the same?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pedophilia is not a crime. Child molesting is a crime. People don't molest children because they are pedophiles, they do it because they are pedophiles and evil. It's like the difference between a heterosexual and a rapist.

Child molesters should be treated same as rapists. I don't think rehabilition works though I could be wrong. Long prison sentances sound right.

And of course looking at child porn is wrong too. The sentance would obviously be less severe.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Pedophilia is not a crime. Child molesting is a crime. People don't molest children because they are pedophiles, they do it because they are pedophiles and evil. It's like the difference between a heterosexual and a rapist.

I'm not at all sure what you are trying to say, but you're wrong. Paedophiles are sexually interested in children, and in most of Europe (and I am pretty sure in the USA too) acting on that interest in any way will attract a serious criminal sentence. People who are paedophiles almost always act on their impulses.

If you are trying to say that the mere thought of sexual attraction to children but without any action upon that thought is not criminal, then theoretically you're correct, but it's rather splitting hairs - and to defend what point?

It is certainly not equivalent to comparing heterosexuality (which is legal in both thought and practice) and rape (which is fundamentally a crime of control and violence, much less sexual gratification).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

People who are paedophiles almost always act on their impulses.

Is this true?

If you are trying to say that the mere thought of sexual attraction to children but without any action upon that thought is not criminal, then theoretically you're correct, but it's rather splitting hairs - and to defend what point?

Saying someone is a criminal when they're not is wrong. Like me saying someone is a rapist because they are heterosexual.

[master of the puppets]

the worst cases cannot be rehibilitated, and they cannot be reinjected into society. we need a nice small island in the middle of the pacific where we can just drop all the scum off.

[A.Saturnus]

I'm not at all sure what you are trying to say, but you're wrong. Paedophiles are sexually interested in children, and in most of Europe (and I am pretty sure in the USA too) acting on that interest in any way will attract a serious criminal sentence. People who are paedophiles almost always act on their impulses.

As far as I know, there are pedophiles who do not act on these impulses and by consequence, they are not criminals. But also by consequence, it shows a flaw in LEN's reasoning. It cannot be ethically questionable to be a pedophile, just as it cannot be ethically questionable to be homosexual. But pederasts act on their impulses, knowing that doing so is wrong. No one has it under his control to be a pedophile but pederasts have it under control. Therefore being a pedophile is no more an excuse for pederasty than sexual needs are for rape. Thus, pederasts are criminals, not merely victims of a sickness.

[LeftEyeNine]

I agree with some of what you say, but can we please be very clear that homosexuality and paedophilia are two ENTIRELY different things?

Yeah both concepts are described entirely different linguistically. However in a world that is generally heterosexual provided that biology supports this order, homosexuality and peadophilia take their roots from very close points.

Maybe not your request but I have to clarify a point : I'm not a homophobiac nor accusing any homosexuals of being socially threatening. Human is human. However, as the science supports, what they and paedophiliacs find attractive is not right. Homosexuals live it on adult levels within their private lives but the sick paedophiliacs try it with children -that's the huge difference, not anything else.

The point saying that homosexuals would deserve the same way the paedophiliacs would be exposed is that those weirdos' perversion is not their choice. You can't make them feel right by beating them to the last bone, I'm also highly doubtful that they can be rehabilitated completely. Most efficient way seems to be the isolation.

This is my cent, and here is the other one.

[mystic brew]

Thanks. made clear.

sorry, you touched a nerve. But i've far too often seen the two treated as being the same.