Russian 'Battle'

**Faust|** · 03-17-2006, 08:01

The football explanation makes some sense, it doesn't look like actual fighting. And in that way, I guess, it IS similar to tribal warfare.

Looks the the right side of the reds disintegrated and the blacks funnelled that way, leaving half the reds standing there.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 03-17-2006, 13:41

I can't see the video :( it just stops when I click start...

**Kraxis** · 03-17-2006, 13:44

Yeah it seems like that... So who won?

Apparently the 'Reds' broke first, but the 'Blacks' couldn't contain their pursuit it seems, and left the 'Reds' to claims the field.

And yes, they are hooligans.

Another things I find to be connected with tribal European battles is the fact that once they are connected they begin throwing stuff over the front ranks to hit the rear ranks of the enemy. In fact they hit pretty well, something that goes against those historians that argue that it was too dangerous to throw javelins and the likeover the heads of the front ranks. Apparently the human abilities in this department are adequate enough.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 03-17-2006, 16:09

Hey, forget about Medieval: Total War II. Gimme Euro-hooligans: Total War instead!

I would so love to move these guys around my screen and try some proper pin and flanking strategies. Awesome.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 03-17-2006, 17:26

Haha this time I saw the video and it's as awesome as I imagined after reading the posts here. Really cool with the taunting before battle and that guy leading the red going ahead of his force pointing forward before the charge really looked like one of those RTW unit captains

**Dutch_guy** · 03-17-2006, 17:43

So what are they firing at each other ?

After the Reds broke and ran, which left their right flank isolated and fairly safe, I'd conclude the Blacks are the winners...

Hope things don't go this way after the Muslim vs Gay soccer match...

**Husar** · 03-17-2006, 18:41

I thought I heard police sirens before the reds and blacks started to run away?
Ok, mayb as well have been a car alarm, but I don´t know how russian police sirens sound.

**Faust|** · 03-17-2006, 19:29

Originally Posted by Kraxis

Yeah it seems like that... So who won?

Apparently the 'Reds' broke first, but the 'Blacks' couldn't contain their pursuit it seems, and left the 'Reds' to claims the field.

The blacks in the front of their left side pursued the formerly thinned and then broken reds opposite them. Simple mob motion was responsible for the rest of the blacks funnelling after them. This happened to leave the rest of the reds standing there. At this point the blacks have more able people available. The problem here is then a legal one

. To sweep away the other reds the blacks would have either had to reform and count on the reds to do the same, or turn to actual fighting: both risky from a legal standpoint. There was no victor, I'd say. Victory for all practical purposes was made inaccessible to the blacks when they broke a portion of the opponent that was too small.

And I think the sirens are car alarms.

**Upxl** · 03-17-2006, 22:01

I think the blacks start routing because they’re rear was attacked.
So they pushed themselves true the red line and start running to the opposite direction they came from.
The reds start following them but to soon.
So you get a big chaos with red and black mixed up.

And the Sirene is definitely a car alarm.

**Kraxis** · 03-18-2006, 02:35

No, I think the 'Reds' that come after the 'Blacks' are in fact people who break off from the 'Reds' left flank. If you look on the ground you will notice that the majority of routers 'cut down' are 'Reds'.
I really doubt the 'Reds' outflanked the 'Blacks' as they were clearly outnumbered and in a much denser group (which was why they could push the 'Blacks' right back). Also take note that 10-15 seconds prior to the break you see 'Reds' from their right flank break off and flee. Clearly that flank was being pushed far more than they could take.

And I agree, I could easily imagine two TW players controling these guys, frantically clicking to charge, reform and flank. Too bad they were Impetuous and Undisciplined.

They are throwing stuff, but mostly they are lobbing flares at each other. Dangerous if you get it in your hair or under your shirt/jacket, but as you can see it will just drop to the ground mostly.

I find this little clip hugely interesting as you can see, but at the same time I dispise the act. I guess I allow myself to be interested as it is two groups who wanted it and were stupid enough to do it, thus letting me analyze it rationally.