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    Default e_b.txt edits - naval ports

    This post contains edits/proofreading/revisions that I have made to the export_buildings.txt naval ports. I appreciate any comments or suggestions that anyone may have.

    Important Note: These edits are in order, but there are gaps between them where the Hellenic ports go. I believe that they need to be completely rewritten with historical information.

    {naval_bay_britons} Boddo
    {naval_bay_britons_desc}
    Casse Port\n\nAncient warfare in Northern Europe often did not involve large decisive naval battles. However, the ability to build ships was important to the people of Gaul, Britain, and Ireland. Small hide-covered boats were used to attack larger ships. Crews of small boats would maneuver their vessels to the side of a larger ship and climb up the sides to engage the enemy crew. These boats, while nothing extravagant, were also capable of transporting soldiers short distances overseas.
    {naval_bay_britons_desc_short}
    This secluded bay is suitable for the construction and maintenance of the simplest Celtic warships.

    {naval_bay_gauls} Boddo
    {naval_bay_gauls_desc}
    Aedui Port\n\nAncient warfare in Northern Europe often did not involve large decisive naval battles. However, the ability to build ships was important to the people of Gaul, Britain, and Ireland. Small hide-covered boats were used to attack larger ships. Crews of small boats would maneuver their vessels to the side of a larger ship and climb up the sides to engage the enemy crew. These boats, while nothing extravagant, were also capable of transporting soldiers short distances overseas.
    {naval_bay_gauls_desc_short}
    This secluded bay is suitable for the construction and maintenance of the simplest Celtic warships.

    {naval_bay_scythia} Boddo
    {naval_bay_scythia_desc}
    Arverni Port\n\nAncient warfare in Northern Europe often did not involve large decisive naval battles. However, the ability to build ships was important to the people of Gaul, Britain, and Ireland. Small hide-covered boats were used to attack larger ships. Crews of small boats would maneuver their vessels to the side of a larger ship and climb up the sides to engage the enemy crew. These boats, while nothing extravagant, were also capable of transporting soldiers short distances overseas.
    {naval_bay_scythia_desc_short}
    This secluded bay is suitable for the construction and maintenance of the simplest Celtic warships.

    {naval_bay_seleucid} Roman Naval Bay (TRANSLATE ME PLEASE!)
    {naval_bay_seleucid_desc}
    Roman provinces that wished to build a navy needed specific docks and buildings for the construction, berthing, and repair of warships. These structures were often built separately from commercial harbors. Separating warships from trade ships served to prevent sabotage and interference with trade.\n\nThe basic shipyard consisted of some ship houses and ramps. Most Roman ships were very shallow and could easily be hauled to the ship houses on shore. These houses, which could be found at even the smallest harbors, protected ships from the weather and made it possible to work on the ships at all occasions.
    {naval_bay_seleucid_desc_short}
    This basic shipwright consists of a few ramps and ship houses on a protected shore. It is capable of constructing and overhauling small warships.

    naval_harbour_britons} Ponmacaran
    {naval_harbour_britons_desc}
    Casse Shipwright\n\nLarger Celtic shipwrights could build bigger ships with solid wooden hulls similar to the ships of later periods. Although these ships were small enough to be dry-docked, their sturdy hulls and competent crews made them reasonably effective in combat. These higher quality Celtic ships could also transport an army long distances more safely than smaller hide-covered boats because they were sturdier and had a better chance of resisting enemy attacks..
    {naval_harbour_britons_desc_short}
    The basic naval facilities in this Celtic port enable the construction and maintenance of larger naval fleets.

    {naval_harbour_gauls} Ponmacaran
    {naval_harbour_gauls_desc}
    Aedui Shipwright\n\nLarger Celtic shipwrights could build bigger ships with solid wooden hulls similar to the ships of later periods. Although these ships were small enough to be dry-docked, their sturdy hulls and competent crews made them reasonably effective in combat. These higher quality Celtic ships could also transport an army long distances more safely than smaller hide-covered boats because they were sturdier and had a better chance of resisting enemy attacks..
    {naval_harbour_gauls_desc_short}
    The basic naval facilities in this Celtic port enable the construction and maintenance of larger naval fleets.

    {naval_harbour_scythia} Ponmacaran
    {naval_harbour_scythia_desc}
    Arverni Shipwright\n\nLarger Celtic shipwrights could build bigger ships with solid wooden hulls similar to the ships of later periods. Although these ships were small enough to be dry-docked, their sturdy hulls and competent crews made them reasonably effective in combat. These higher quality Celtic ships could also transport an army long distances more safely than smaller hide-covered boats because they were sturdier and had a better chance of resisting enemy attacks..
    {naval_harbour_scythia_desc_short}
    The basic naval facilities in this Celtic port enable the construction and maintenance of larger naval fleets.

    {naval_harbour_seleucid} Roman Naval Harbor (TRANSLATE ME PLEASE!)
    {naval_harbour_seleucid_desc}
    Roman provinces that wished to build a navy needed specific docks and buildings for the construction, berthing, and repair of warships. These structures were often built separately from commercial harbors. Separating warships from commercial ships served to prevent sabotage and interference with trade.\n\nA good natural harbour with manmade structures like quays and moles was well suited to protect ships. Experienced local shipwrights aided in the construction and maintenance of Roman warships and merchant vessels.
    {naval_harbour_seleucid_desc_short}
    This natural harbor contains the necessary facilities to construct merchant vessels and basic warships.


    {naval_port_gauls} Boddopanmhar
    {naval_port_gauls_desc}
    Aedui Dockyard\n\nSome Celts, such as the Gallic Veneti in Armoriae, were famed for building ships of astounding size and quality and providing them with excellent crews. These high quality ships could be used to carry an invasion force or a band of raiders with great confidence over a great distance. Constructing these massive vessels required large, elaborate facilities where they could be dry-docked for repairs and safely moored when not at sea.
    {naval_port_gauls_desc_short}
    This large Celtic port is equipped with facilities for the construction and maintenance of major war fleets.

    {naval_port_scythia} Boddopanmhar
    {naval_port_scythia_desc}
    Arverni Dockyard\n\n Some Celts, such as the Gallic Veneti in Armoriae, were famed for building ships of astounding size and quality and providing them with excellent crews. These high quality ships could be used to carry an invasion force or a band of raiders with great confidence over a great distance. Constructing these massive vessels required large, elaborate facilities where they could be dry-docked for repairs and safely moored when not at sea.
    {naval_port_scythia_desc_short}
    This large Celtic port is equipped with facilities for the construction and maintenance of major war fleets.

    {naval_port_seleucid} Roman Naval Port (TRANSLATE ME PLEASE!)
    {naval_port_seleucid_desc}
    Roman provinces that wished to build a navy needed specific docks and buildings for the construction, berthing, and repair of warships. These structures were often built separately from commercial harbors. Separating warships from commercial ships served to prevent sabotage and interference with trade.\n\nGreat artificial harbours made from a hydraulic cement that could dry underwater were perfect for constructing and maintaining huge numbers of high quality warships. The ships inside were protected by moles, huge chains, and other ships. Lighthouses provide guidance at night or during bad weather. The massive basins of a great naval port, surrounded by quay walls, were deep enough to load and unload even the largest vessels. The skilled shipbuilders that worked in Roman ports were capable of constructing large numbers of polyremes for the Roman fleet within months.
    {naval_port_seleucid_desc_short}
    This great artificial harbor contains facilities capable of constructing huge fleets of high quality warships.
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    Default Re: e_b.txt edits - naval ports

    This description for Celtic ports seems to imply that navies were not an important part of ancient warfare. It was my understanding that naval battles were very important in some Greek and Roman wars. Should I change it to say that sea battles weren't so important in Celtic warfare?

    Ancient warfare did not relied on decisive sea battles in the same way later periods would come to. However, the ability to build some light transports to launch invasions was clear, especially in the north of Gaul, and in Britain and Ireland. Further, small hide covered boats could be used to attack larger ships by rafting up to their sides, and climbing up the sides to engage the crew. This port would allow the most simple of ships, which, while not anything extravagant, are all necessary for transporting an army a short distance.
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    Default Re: e_b.txt edits - naval ports

    Quote Originally Posted by tk-421
    This description for Celtic ports seems to imply that navies were not an important part of ancient warfare. It was my understanding that naval battles were very important in some Greek and Roman wars. Should I change it to say that sea battles weren't so important in Celtic warfare?

    Ancient warfare did not relied on decisive sea battles in the same way later periods would come to. However, the ability to build some light transports to launch invasions was clear, especially in the north of Gaul, and in Britain and Ireland. Further, small hide covered boats could be used to attack larger ships by rafting up to their sides, and climbing up the sides to engage the crew. This port would allow the most simple of ships, which, while not anything extravagant, are all necessary for transporting an army a short distance.
    Good point. Try this:

    Ancient naval warfare in Northern Europe did not rely......
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    I'm currently working on the Hellenic naval port description. It is written in a different, almost corny style. Should I clean it up a bit but try to maintain its style or should I completely rewrite it so that it better matches the others?

    {naval_bay_carthage} Kolpos Stolou
    {naval_bay_carthage_desc}
    Hellenic Naval Bay\n\nThe sea: an endless frontier. A place of mystery and myth. A source of life and joy to the people living on its shores but, occasionally, also a cause of death and grief. But the sea is more than that. It is a means of communication and cultural exchange. A fast ship can take men to far away places much more quickly than land travel. For the more practically-minded individuals it is also a great source of profit. Trading ships can carry tons of merchandise to distant ports and significantly boost the economy of a city. Yet beware! Robbers of the sea, pirates, harsh men who will not hesitate to attack merchant-ships and loot them or raid coastal defenseless cities, are on the loose. Even small towns need a few ships of their own to help repel raids or to act as speedy messengers of a distress call to a friendly settlement. Our people are well-known for their skill in building relatively small but fast and agile ships, capable of withstanding battle with heavier opponents, a field where the hellenic colonists living in our lands contibuted a lot. A site with, at least, the elementary installations for military ship-building will be essential.
    {naval_bay_carthage_desc_short}
    A small shipyard for constructing only basic military vessels.

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    Default Re: e_b.txt edits - naval ports

    Quote Originally Posted by tk-421
    I'm currently working on the Hellenic naval port description. It is written in a different, almost corny style. Should I clean it up a bit but try to maintain its style or should I completely rewrite it so that it better matches the others?
    I think I like the corny style there. It's refreshingly different! So yes, try to improve the grammar and still keep that "Hellenic Voice"!

    (Although if the OTHER Hellenic descriptions are "normal", it'll sound odd by comparison. Still, lets keep it)
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    1. Have I edited this a little too much? I tried for that same style but I don't think I quite got it.

    {naval_bay_carthage} Kolpos Stolou
    {naval_bay_carthage_desc}
    Hellenic Naval Bay\n\nTo the Hellenes the sea was an endless frontier. It was place of mystery and myth. It was a source of life and joy to the people living on its shores. The sea also served as a means of communication, travel, and cultural exchange. A fast ship could take men and ideas to far away places much more quickly than travel by land. For the more practically-minded individuals the seas were a great source of profit. Merchant ships gave a significant to their home city’s economy by carrying loads of merchandise to and from distant ports. Despite all that could be accomplished by sea travel, the Hellenes had reason to be wary. Pirates roamed the sea and did not hesitate to attack and loot merchant ships or raid defenseless coastal cities. Hellenes defended their coasts with relatively small yet fast and agile ships. These ships were perfect as speedy messengers to allied cities and were capable of standing up to heavier ships in combat. Facilities capable of constructing these ships were essential for any Hellenic city.
    {naval_bay_carthage_desc_short}
    This small shipyard is capable of constructing basic military vessels.


    2. Should "Cilicia" in the Ptolemaic description be changed to the more Greek- sounding "Kilikia"? I think that is how it's spelled on the map but I can't find the old map preview or launch a campaign to find out for sure.
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