Suggestions for v0.8

[paullus]

Most reasonable way to handle it (in my mind, at least--which is not always reasonable), would be to have assassins "poisoning" towns by "destroying" baths, sewers, etc. I don't really use assassins for sabotage, so I don't even know if destroying health buildings increases squalor. If it did, that would be the best way to imagine poisoning tactics, if you should so desire.

Might also make another interesting logistics trait..."poisoned water supplies...-x% movement, -y morale"

[MaximianusBR]

I think if no unit can have this ability, a "poison master" could be used as retinue...he can have a "Reduce enemy army recovery rate"...

And a "Poison specialist" to counter that poison master...

what you guys think?

[khelvan]

Do you still want more evidence?

I will repeat what I said.

We have already considered, and rejected, the use of poison. There is not enough evidence to suggest that it was used on a consistent, large-scale basis by anyone.

You will notice I did not say there was no evidence of poison use. What I said is that there is not enough evidence to suggest that it was used on a consistent, large-scale basis by anyone. And I'm not talking about poisoning a water supply.

[edyzmedieval]

Khelv has a point here.

[Warlord 11]

Khelv has a point here.

Of course he does! Are you suggesting that he does not always have a point!? Death to the unbeliever!

[edyzmedieval]

Of course he does! Are you suggesting that he does not always have a point!? Death to the unbeliever!

He's just the insanity coordinator, that's all.

[Mithradates]

I am not sure if there are references to back this up, but did indian peoples use elephants to batter down gates and if so could this be implemented?

[MaximianusBR]

If EB equip search and not find evidence of use in large scale...and khelvan say...I must agree
!!!!Poison this Idea!!!!

[spacedouthamster]

I think a proper 2 handed pikeman skeleton should be used similar to the one used for the parthian infantry which have the bow and spear (i think they used two hands to hold their spears)

[orwell]

I think you can already use elephants to batter down a gate, can't you? Or did that get changed?

[edyzmedieval]

You couldn't use elephants to batter gates, only wooden walls.

[Wardo]

How about adding Gladius or some other sword to the Polybian Triarii? They don't have Pilum do they? If they don't, it should be possible, right?

[abou]

You couldn't use elephants to batter gates, only wooden walls.

Sure you can. I've done it plenty of times.

[Avicenna]

You can use them to batter all gates in theory. In practice, however, if you try to batter gates of a stone wall or above, your elephant unit will get destroyed.

[mcsquared]

I hope you will have Scorpions in v 8. I believe they were used a great deal by the Romans.

[orwell]

Will cities reverting to bizarre factions, like Alexandria-eschate going to ptolemy be cleaned up?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Alexandria-Eschate never rebelled to Ptolemaioi. A diplomat might have bribed it away, but even that has been reduced so much that it rarely happens in weird places.

But yes, the number of places rebelling to even moderately weird factions will be greatly reduced.

[orwell]

I guess it was bribed then, odd place for Ptolemaioi to be though.

More spam.

If a family member loves gladiator games, could he have a higher tolerance for how many cities he can exterminate? I recently did a bunch with one general and now he's not doing so well.

[edyzmedieval]

Will cities reverting to bizarre factions, like Alexandria-eschate going to ptolemy be cleaned up?

Oh my God....

Oh yeah. Parthian cities in Arabia also.

[Geoffrey S]

A suggestion: location details in custom battle setups under the tooltips for the rebel faction. For instance, Arabian rebel units could have something like Location: Arabian peninsula or even a more specific name of the people or city they came from at the start of a description. That way, players can set up custom battles against the rebel faction representing a specific region not represented as a full faction such as Arabian people, Numidian people or Pergamon.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Oh my God....

Oh yeah. Parthian cities in Arabia also.

As I said, these problems will not exist in the next build. It's already been solved in our current in house build. There's always a chance of a province going rebel to some faction that folks think is not logical, but with more flexible culture groupings and the addition of another faction, we shouldn't have problems with this anymore - excepting of course the issue of who does India rebel too, which is always going to be a bit thorny.

[Avicenna]

The Eleutheroi?

By the way, with the Eleutheroi faction symbol.. are they going to be made into a proper playable faction in the next build?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

"slave faction" settings as faction creator causes problems - namely that they have presets of a roman type for city icons on the strat map and they also get roman type armies when they rebel. It really is like a 'slave rebellion' takes place in those situation. Plus they still will often rebel to the faction culture in that situation - there's little way we know of of getting around these issues. I think we will have baktria as the faction india will rebel to, if it rebels to anyone at all. Not perfect, but the best of available options.

Eleutheroi aren't having any work that would make them any more a properly playable faction. We can test with them, but I don't think anyone in EB is interested in trying to make them playable more than that.

[Geoffrey S]

Eleutheroi aren't having any work that would make them any more a properly playable faction. We can test with them, but I don't think anyone in EB is interested in trying to make them playable more than that.

But would my suggestion work, allowing players to set up for instance an Arabian army to play with or against the rebels in custom battle mode, or as various cities or areas represented through rebels rather than a proper faction, with more information than is currently provided? Just something simple, to indicate what kind of army (arabian, celtic, hellenic etc.) they should be added to.

[edyzmedieval]

Why are the Eleutheroi playable?
Who's derailed enough to play as Rebels?

[Magister Militum]

it is not even realistic to make the eleutheroi playable becase they wer never a faction they only represent the 'free' porvinces

[edyzmedieval]

it is not even realistic to make the eleutheroi playable becase they wer never a faction they only represent the 'free' porvinces

That's very true.

[Geoffrey S]

Not on the campaign map maybe, but for custom battles and maybe even historical battles the Eleuthoroi could make it possible to play with units, setups or even 'factions' that wouldn't be available to play as in the campaign game as a full faction; presumably not all units used by rebels will be available for the various fully playable factions (for instance, the Yuezhi as represented in 0.8) in the campaign game and having them available in custom battle would mean players can still use them in some form.

[MaximianusBR]

can EB equip antecipate to us some of the new units 0.8?

Seleukids Silver Shields will be added?

[Equilibrium]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you afterwards.


p.s.: patience is always useful