Magyar faction previev

[palissa]

Her eis my preview of units for magyar faction.
























Critics welcomed.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Looks very good so far, but I think Forgus and Csatadi (any of them actually) will be better than me at giving criticism on historical details. Graphically I think they're very good

[palissa]

Well, forgus will estroy every model, i think :)
They are based on pictures posted here around, and all looks very mongolic, indeed.
Which other faction need to be worked on?
Gimme one not steppe this time, else get boring :)
Bye

[edyzmedieval]

Lol.

But, they look very good. Excellent job Palissa!!!
Be sure to send me the models and skins by e-mail.
Same to Legio.

Welcoming all critics.

[Uranos]

Great units
Just mabby the colours are a bit too bright, and you could make the faces more detailed.

[palissa]

Faces are those standard vanilla.
I am not an artist to make new face type.
Some are steppe faces (pre christian unit) other are normal faces, from caucasian units.
So blame CA for the faces :)
The color looks very bright because
1) The illumination is very strong, to show details. Ingame light is less but must test them, still.
2) I believe in colorful units, all that brown is bit boring :)

Still must wait for forgus last word, he is the historical man, around.

Bye

[Forgus]

Actually they are not that bad I don't really like the várjobbágyok, for these should be a rather feudal, more frankish appearance. The same goes to the Székely. And I don't know what a Koplyanek is...
Otherwise they are ok.

[Forgus]

I even liked the Varangians :-)

[edyzmedieval]

We'll see what Csatadi says.

[palissa]

Forgus, explain better what you mean for more frankish appearance.

You mean dunno, more chainmailed? more like the german knight?

The szekely is a bit coloured seems. I made on a figurine posted in thread, i guess must add some armor on it.

I need more feedback :) Need to know what sound not so good, and what is okay, else cant tune that units.

I just take name from unit list and desc list, dont ask me about magyar names...

For edzy:

cant put bow, sword/spear and shield, on a model. so must choose what you want.

Or bow, or shield, cant have both.

[almazor]

execlent congratulation

[edyzmedieval]

For edzy:

cant put bow, sword/spear and shield, on a model. so must choose what you want.

Or bow, or shield, cant have both.

What do you mean? I just wanted the units as you made them.

[palissa]

Must change that szekely?

What i mean, is that in your unit desc, some unit have: spear, short bow small shield. Cant have all 3 :)
So i sacrified shield, to keep bow as primary weapon. that what i mean.

[edyzmedieval]

Yeah, ok. No problem.

[Csatadi]

Palissa,
quite good models. My favorite is the foot archer's cloths.
If the shield + bow not possible Koplyások should have lance + bow. This combination is actually the most authentic regarding to emperor Constantine and Turk research.
Add reflex bows! Longer lances would be better. More leather armour see the tw link. Kopjanek => Koplyások.
Christian units should have swords rather sabres. Magyars werent mongolids your skins are good.
Remove that knifes from hands.

I see the lot of links missed somewhere between the topics.

see this page:
http://www.grozerarchery.com/acc/equip/equip.htm

and this from the forum:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=48793&page=5

#300, 309, 314.

some pictures with war equipment:
http://blaze.hu/dondon/elodeinkrol.htm

I dont know how many unit type you want. In my opinion Várjobbányok and the Besenyők (=Pechenegs) are not important.
Székelyek are better with bow and sabre.

[palissa]

@csatadi

They nearly all wear leather armor, maybe can put other kind of leather, dunno.
Just a pair dont wear it, seems to me.

The knife in the archer hand, mean that is the weapon they use in melee, the secondary weapon. Is the standard RTW for archer, else they cant fight in melee, i think, or well, something weird happens.

german knight have a sword as secondary, for close combat.

I think szekely need rework, maybe i add a leather armor, and less colors.

Bye

[palissa]

Here a total leather szekely.



tell me what think of it.

[Csatadi]

Looks very good!
Small details: try to draw a better sabre.
See this:


The scabbard should be on the left side.
The quiver and the bow-holder still missing.
Beards wasnt in the mode only moustache.

The headgear is a little hat-like to me. The brim of the headgear is too wide. Try to make it smaller or rather change it to fur.
This is the typical Magyar headgear:


Boots:


What about the saddle? Is it possible to skin it?

Maybe the length of lances will be ok.
Good work!

[palissa]

Man, only thing i can do is to raise high of hat, curve a little bit the sabre, and put the scabbard on other side.

The brim of hat is already fur (or what can come from a low poly model), and those boots are really unlikely to come as shown, in this resolution :)

Will see what come out :)

Is possible skin saddle, yes, on the horse.
Maybe even model horse some so come out a better saddle. Problem is, that horse are a bit screwed, as i read around, and sometime export the .cas give error, even if horse after will work.
I never modeled a horse, must ask around :)
I saw some pic of other mods with saddle modelled, so is possible, i think.
The cover on the horse is surely moddable, just post a good pic of how yo uwant it. I used standard vanilla stuff.




Here small modifications

[Csatadi]

Palissa relax.
If you dont want to change dont do it. Actually I dont care so much.

The boots are cool now! I dont see the sabre well. The right sabre is important just think on the Khazars, Pechenegs, Uzes and probably the Bulgars, they all will use sabres in battle.

The height of the headgear was ok. The brim looks like a leather thing. But the main thing it is too wide and angular. Its material is a secondary thing and not so important (hard to observe) but the shape of the headgear is simply strange.
Look at this page for more pictures, especially headgears: http://www.lovasijasz.sk
EDIT: OMG see my avatars headgear. it isnt peaked but its brim is the same I ask for.

These are good ones for saddles if you want some:





All the units should have spear or sabre in melee depending on the unit desc. Maybe a nomad (or magyar?) axe, the fokos, a kind of spontoon. The foot archer should have a spear it was cheaper.

If you want a little, very advanced idea, draw stirrups to the horsemen. I think it would be very unique between RTW units.

[palissa]

Ah now i understood. you want a more rounded brim.
Heh, not so easy :) yo uknow model are made of triangular face, and make a round, mean use a lot of polygon, that game doesnt allow. i will see what can come out.

If yo uthink that a conic helmet use alone more than half the face of the model, can understand my words.

What is a stirrups? :) I am not english, dont know all the words :)

Another question: why this mod has so few people commenting it? must make more advertisement :))

Bye

[palissa]

Here a bit more rounded brim.



The sabre isnt so great, but mdoel sword is not so good, due to small size.

[Csatadi]

Super!
Another question: it seems the moustache and the nose is very far from each other. Can you put his moustache up under his nose directly?
Stirrup: I used a dictionary, too. The stirrup is a metal "ring" in which you put your feet riding the horse. I dont say you should skin it, I think it would be really an advanced feature.

What does the "mdoel sword" mean?

Aovaf never had any PR.

[palissa]

mdoel is a typo of model.

Swords arent modelled so good, have very few faces, and must keep them in real low details, due to the excess lag that poly count cause to game.

Yeah, can attach them more :) Is just a stretch in model face, can fix it easily.

Maybe must open thread in other forum :)

[Agraes]

Well done

I suggest you to ask Pinarius (on TWC) for his horse models, they are much more realistic than vanilla ones. They do have gallic saddle, but Im sure you can model different saddles, in various styles.

[palissa]

Hey agraes, you doing all those gaelic celts, right?
We have also alot of celtic model to add, i think, you have pictures or sites where find inspiration?

Or there is some agreement to exchange model between your mod and this mod?

I can make pair celts, and see how they come out.

thank for suggestion

[edyzmedieval]

Thanks Palissa for the models and skins.

You should use different stuff from skin packs like horses and armour, but do ask for permission first.

[GoreBag]

I don't really care for all that colour. I really dig the dirty-and-brown we've seen so far.

[palissa]

Here my saddle+reins version, based on above picture.
Not so great, but i like the reins.



I dont use skins of other mods, or their models. I just look how they develop it, and take inspiration.

If I must start ask permission for every model, will never end :) SO i make mine model myself :)

edzy, if you are able, try put those skin+model in game, so i can see where they are wrong :)

The stirrups i think are not possible, cant make them so perfect, that the model in game will put his feet into it, and they will look very ridicolous hanging around out from feet, i fear.

Ah, more i look this reins, more i like it. I never saw an horse with it till now, dunno why.

[Ultras DVSC]

I'm lay in this stuff, but maybe you could draw the stirrups simply on the boots, and then you'd connect it with the saddle. Not a nice solution, but better than nothing imho.