Almoravides faction

[palissa]

Here my small attempt on a tuareg model.

The sword is similar to one posted in army unit thread, and beduin color also.



Tell me what you think.

[almazor]

the graphisme in this unit is very good ,but the sword is too short.
congratulation it 's very nice

[edyzmedieval]

The sword is too pointy. Make it more smooooth....

[palissa]

Here come a black bedouin.



Now you msut put MORE AND MORE pictures for this faction.

After 3 beduin with this dress, people will get sick of bedouin :)

for edzy: more smooth? i already make it longer. what mean smooth?
In vanilla, bedouin have this scimitar, while this pic posted show long and not curved blades.
Tell me which one to use.

Also, i need pictures of a shield, in case bedouin have, and what put on shield as emblem or what else.

And colours of this dress, also, or are jsut white, blue and black?

I need more info, and pics, and unit list, and all, like for magyar.

Also need to know what must change in magyar units...

Bye

[edyzmedieval]

Bedouins used only these 3 colours. And they only had a round shield.
No emblem for the bedouins. Fot God's sake, they are nomads, not an empire!!!

Make it a bit long. It looks like a short sword. And very square.
They use the bow, scimitar, round shield and spear.

Bedouin Camel Warriors - Camel riders, touaregs with spear and round shield.

[almazor]

al moravides used camel more than horses.can you create a cataphrate camel?
with round shield and long spear?

[Rodion Romanovich]

almazor did anybody really use cataphract camels? Isn't that unhistorical?

[almazor]

yes i agree with you,but castillans have an excelent heavy cavalry ,and the almoravides use camels more than horse and also they like fighting on foot,i think that we can give them the most powerfull camel in the game,and in the batttle of zallaca, the castillans cavalry was crushed by al moravides camel,because the horses of the castillans haven't see before this battle any camel.do you agree with me?

[Rodion Romanovich]

Yes, we can make very good camels, but the camels shouldn't wear armor in combat, should they? We can add the "scares horses" property to the camels, which means they'll easily rout enemy heavy cavalry. We can also add "bonus vs cavalry" property to the camels. That way the camels can kill the horses more effectively, AND make the horses more likely to rout. But we don't need to dress up the camels in armor for that. Do you agree that that is an acceptable solution?

[almazor]

ok you are right.i agree with you,and you can add something that: almoravides will have the best camels units in the game more fast,more powerfull.they are the only faction who camel can rout heavy cavalry.if you add this it will be an acceptable solution do you agree with me for that?

[Rodion Romanovich]

yes, I agree

[palissa]

Well, here came another beduin.
Then i ended the variation, remain just some dirty grey dress :)



I added a shield posted in other thread, and longer sword.
If need to be curved, tell me.

Now you agree on all, please psot here a list of unit like for magyar.
So i can make proper units, instead of just beduin on camels :)

[Rodion Romanovich]

The almoravid unit list isn't ready yet, I'm afraid I'll be back...

[almazor]

oh my god this is amazing

[palissa]

This is the black guard, mounted on horse
Must give me example of indian sword, i just sticked the same beduin sword.
Please notice skin is black, as yo usaid was senegalese people :)



Any critic welcome.

[almazor]

black guards must be heavly armorred,and it was the most powerfull almoravides unit like varanguian guard of the byzatines,it wasn't a light cavalry.there attack and defense were very good.but you can take this for sudanese light cavalry.

[almazor]

and i think that we call the them black guards because they are wearing black cloths ok some of them were recruited from senegal but a large part of them very andalucians,berbers,and uluj(christians who embrassed islam) there number was 4000.i suggest to u to views the screenshot in crusader tw,it's only to develop this mod, no for publicity of this mod,and i didn' like it but units is good
thanks.

[palissa]

Armored with what? chain, leather, scale?
Need more info :)

I just saw the black guard unit from the crusades.
They are very similar, just have shield, and some more conical shape of head.
And are white skin, of course. Didnt see any armour on them, just black tunic.
Beside shape of head, they are the same unit, you sure of what are writing? :)
Bye

[almazor]

no info about that but in the crusader,you can do the same thing like sibyan al rikab round shield and scal armor i'mnot an expert,but you are doing well

[almazor]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/Almoravides.htm

[palissa]

Well, here is an armored almoravids, similar to those you mentioned (the scale armor i mean).



The shield, is nice, if you find me a pic of one similar, i can copy it :)
No way i draw it by hand :)

Can make tons of this bedouin, they look all same. can put armor on them, if you think that small figurine are okay, historical wise, i can make all of them :)

Bye

[almazor]

very nice

[beauchamp]

Sehr Toll!
Awsome Tuaregs!

[palissa]

Thi is an almoravids archer, based on the figurine in low right corner.



Any critic welcome.

Need more figurine or draws, and a unit list.

[edyzmedieval]

Uhhh.Very nice.

[almazor]

you wan some medieval shields
http://www.imperialweapons.com/armour/MacLeod.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/10949/images/shield.jpg
and also indian sword and shield:
http://www.khukriwala.com/pcat-gifs/...ies/swords.jpg

oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1208

[almazor]

http://www.soldiers-russia.com/new_s..._with_axe1.htm
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...shir_large.jpg

http://www.russianswords.com/Shamshir-giraffe.htm

[beauchamp]

Im sorry, but here I would have to dissagree. Given the time period, and the circumstances, the Almoravids were not capable to having that many Shamshir, seeing that they were from persia. I belive that the blades would more likely be like the old arab broadswords (Here are the blades of the Prohpets Muhammed and Ali: http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwhe...rds_index.html)
or like the famed El Cid sword eventually adopted by the spainiards. Only until about, 900 AD did the Swords we know as the Shamshir was widespread.

Anyways, Kudos on the great reasearch and Modelling, Im really looking forward to playing the game

[beauchamp]

Here is a better example of North African and Almoravid swords:


In the song of roland, it is mentioned more about famous moors, Ill try and find my old copy and post some stuff.

[almazor]

yes i know but he want some figure of indian sword and i give it to him.(if you read about the batlle of zallaqa you will inderstand the black guards use indian sword and long spear).
and you why not they could use the form shamchir?
about me its and this is my opinion it's nice to see an almoravide or andaluce unit using this magnifique form of sword.
and also to develp the quality of sword in the unit .
do you inderstand me?thanks for the replay