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this is could be used by castillians or franks and maybe german,but for the almoravides i desagree with you.
Here comes a numidian, or mauri spearman.
Has that patched leather mail, i saw in several pic on that site of almoravids figurine.
Saw it also on saracen unit in crusades, so i used it myself.
Tell me if is historical, or must be changed.
Need at least another good pic of a shield, with 3 shield i guess can do all the units...
As always, critics welcome.
Has that patched leather mail, i saw in several pic on that site of almoravids figurine.
Saw it also on saracen unit in crusades, so i used it myself.
Tell me if is historical, or must be changed.
Need at least another good pic of a shield, with 3 shield i guess can do all the units...
As always, critics welcome.
some arab sword:
http://www.umich.edu/~eng415/topics/...ic_Swords.html
http://www.syriangate.com/swords.htm
http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/scimitar.htm
http://www.kultofathena.com/swords-arab.html
about arabs:
aromors:http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc.../WarArmor.html
castle adn fort:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc...s%26Forts.html
the siege weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/Siege.html
military art:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/War.html
weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc...r/Weapons.html
http://www.umich.edu/~eng415/topics/...ic_Swords.html
http://www.syriangate.com/swords.htm
http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/scimitar.htm
http://www.kultofathena.com/swords-arab.html
about arabs:
aromors:http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc.../WarArmor.html
castle adn fort:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc...s%26Forts.html
the siege weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/Siege.html
military art:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/War.html
weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sc...r/Weapons.html
I will stick on long straight sword, seems, then.
Maybe can make a scimitar for a unit, dont know.
But i need this unit list, else i do unit at random...
bye
Maybe can make a scimitar for a unit, dont know.
But i need this unit list, else i do unit at random...
bye
nice
ok ,
some sword of the prophet muhamed:
sword of ali ibn abi taleb you can use this for almoravides sword man:
sword of ali ibn abi taleb you can use this for almoravides sword man:
An all white sword+shield+horse beduin.
Where is legio and his unit list :)
Where is legio and his unit list :)
it's a good unit,i love it.
i have a suggestion that for the almoravides units can you make them more like tuareg :
and almoravides camel like that:
because historicly andalucians call tha al moravides almoulathamin almoulatham a person how hide his face.
i have a suggestion that for the almoravides units can you make them more like tuareg :
and almoravides camel like that:
because historicly andalucians call tha al moravides almoulathamin almoulatham a person how hide his face.
I guess for the later dynasties, their should be Shamshir, that is without a doubt. But the earliest Al-Andalus warriors probably used the Arab broadsword, due to the fact that they were the remnants of the old Ummayad order turning tail against the Abbasids. Anyways, good reasearch and awsome models.
oh yea, BTW Almazor. I think that blade you are showing is belived to be Dhul-a-faqar or better known as Zulfiqar (my favorite sword in history!), originally the blade of Muhammed, it was passed down to Ali and saw action througout both of their campaigns, even unto Karbala. I think in arabic it means something like "spine cleaver" or "blinder", and was orignally shown with two points at the end, and was used especially for gougeing out eyes :).
oh yea, BTW Almazor. I think that blade you are showing is belived to be Dhul-a-faqar or better known as Zulfiqar (my favorite sword in history!), originally the blade of Muhammed, it was passed down to Ali and saw action througout both of their campaigns, even unto Karbala. I think in arabic it means something like "spine cleaver" or "blinder", and was orignally shown with two points at the end, and was used especially for gougeing out eyes :).
yeah, all first beduin was with covered face, i did a pair with face visible to change the aspect.
Almazor, you can produce something like an unit list?
like 12-14 units, from low rank to elite, so can work on it.
I have already 6-7 beduin ready, am half way seems.
Almazor, you can produce something like an unit list?
like 12-14 units, from low rank to elite, so can work on it.
I have already 6-7 beduin ready, am half way seems.
ok i understand,ok i will set up a unit list for the al moravides soon.i'm working on it.thanks for all
Another spearman beduin on horse.
White and blue, the shield isnt so great, i painted by hand. sigh
White and blue, the shield isnt so great, i painted by hand. sigh
Wow. Really nice.
I love the bright colours.
I love the bright colours.
it's nice yhe colors must be more dark,but it's ok
yeah will darken them more.
How goes with the unit list?
How goes with the unit list?
I think this is the list we're supposed to use for al-andalus/almoravids faction:
-Arab noble cavalry: T: heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 20, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
-Andalusian cavalry: T: medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
Image of berber cavalry:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...tohispano.html
-Negros: T: heavy Sudanese swordmen (personal guard of calipha), N: 60, A: very strong, C: strong, D: strong, W: curved sword, H: iron, Ar: no, S: no/bilobed, Mo: excellent, St: excellent, Co: very expensive
-Mamaliks (slave professional warriors): T: heavy slavic spearmen, N: 80, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.
Image similar to mamaliks:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...ia_siglo8.html
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html (coloured paint)
-Murtazika: T: heavy berber spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S: bilobed, Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive.
-Muttawia: T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: good, Co: cheap.
-Muyahids (jihad warriors): T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
-Rigal (andalusian line infantry): T: medium spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: average, M: good, D: very good, W: javelin, spear, sword, H: leather/iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Co: a bit expensive. Can make shield wall
Image of andalusian rigal:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rabita (frontier levy troops): T: light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
Image of rabita:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rumat al-sinniya: T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W: Frankish bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average
-Mawaly heavy cavalry:mawaly bani umayya,they play a great role in the history of andalucia,we find in history somes vizirs and great generals like "ghalib al nassiri" and we find abu jaafar al meshafi was a hajib of the caliph "al hakam II"
the provenance of mawaly is from the east they was slavs of the ummayad emirs and after the fal of the ummayades caliphat they migrate to andalucia,the ummayade give them there liberty but they continue serving the caliphate.
-Arab noble cavalry: T: heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 20, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
-Andalusian cavalry: T: medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
Image of berber cavalry:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...tohispano.html
-Negros: T: heavy Sudanese swordmen (personal guard of calipha), N: 60, A: very strong, C: strong, D: strong, W: curved sword, H: iron, Ar: no, S: no/bilobed, Mo: excellent, St: excellent, Co: very expensive
-Mamaliks (slave professional warriors): T: heavy slavic spearmen, N: 80, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.
Image similar to mamaliks:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...ia_siglo8.html
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html (coloured paint)
-Murtazika: T: heavy berber spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S: bilobed, Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive.
-Muttawia: T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: good, Co: cheap.
-Muyahids (jihad warriors): T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
-Rigal (andalusian line infantry): T: medium spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: average, M: good, D: very good, W: javelin, spear, sword, H: leather/iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Co: a bit expensive. Can make shield wall
Image of andalusian rigal:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rabita (frontier levy troops): T: light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
Image of rabita:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rumat al-sinniya: T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W: Frankish bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average
-Mawaly heavy cavalry:mawaly bani umayya,they play a great role in the history of andalucia,we find in history somes vizirs and great generals like "ghalib al nassiri" and we find abu jaafar al meshafi was a hajib of the caliph "al hakam II"
the provenance of mawaly is from the east they was slavs of the ummayad emirs and after the fal of the ummayades caliphat they migrate to andalucia,the ummayade give them there liberty but they continue serving the caliphate.
Another almoravid with covered face.
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
Originally Posted by palissa:
Another almoravid with covered face.
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
All berber units belonging to al-andalus could be made after the almoravid pictures.Another almoravid with covered face.
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
Legio,
Have you received Palissa's skins?
Oh, the unit looks nice. I always love bright colours.
Have you received Palissa's skins?
Oh, the unit looks nice. I always love bright colours.
http://www.toysoldiers.ca/popup/WAB%20EL%20CID.jpg
the unit list of the almoravides:
the number of infantry units of the almoravides must be hight because the almoravides like fighting on foot,and in there battle they use infantry more than horses add to that they are very desciplined like roman legion,they use also camels.
1-the lamtuna:heavy spearmen the rulers of the al moravides were from the tribe of lamtuna.the most loyal and powerfull unit
of the almoravide.
heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.Can make shield wall
2-the black guard:
heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 60, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
i suggest that the number must be hight because,in the battle of zallaqa,the number of black guard was 4000 20% of the army and it's very hight for a personnel guards.and we give the player the possibility to dismount this killers,Can make shield wall if they fight on foot
3-al moravide horsmen:
medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
4-al moravide warrior:swordman unit
T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
5-al moravide spearmen:
T: heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S:"your choice ", Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan.
6-berber infantry:
T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: averege, Co: cheap.
7-Rumat al-soudan: they are recruited from senegal
T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W:bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average.
8-cammel drummer:extra drummer, scare all enemy units.
9-Andalucians Auxilaries:light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
10-al moravide camel raiders:bonus againt horses,can rout heavy cavalry,they will probably the most powerfull camel in the game.armed with spear and oval shield.
11-andalucians cavalry:medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
12-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
13-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
the unit list of the almoravides:
the number of infantry units of the almoravides must be hight because the almoravides like fighting on foot,and in there battle they use infantry more than horses add to that they are very desciplined like roman legion,they use also camels.
1-the lamtuna:heavy spearmen the rulers of the al moravides were from the tribe of lamtuna.the most loyal and powerfull unit
of the almoravide.
heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.Can make shield wall
2-the black guard:
heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 60, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
i suggest that the number must be hight because,in the battle of zallaqa,the number of black guard was 4000 20% of the army and it's very hight for a personnel guards.and we give the player the possibility to dismount this killers,Can make shield wall if they fight on foot
3-al moravide horsmen:
medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
4-al moravide warrior:swordman unit
T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
5-al moravide spearmen:
T: heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S:"your choice ", Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan.
6-berber infantry:
T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: averege, Co: cheap.
7-Rumat al-soudan: they are recruited from senegal
T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W:bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average.
8-cammel drummer:extra drummer, scare all enemy units.
9-Andalucians Auxilaries:light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
10-al moravide camel raiders:bonus againt horses,can rout heavy cavalry,they will probably the most powerfull camel in the game.armed with spear and oval shield.
11-andalucians cavalry:medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
12-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
13-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
Ah, almazor, good list.
You think can associate some of those almoravids i did with units in your list, and tell me what need to change or add? Like change weapons, or add them, and provide pic of shield, if different :). Thanks
You think can associate some of those almoravids i did with units in your list, and tell me what need to change or add? Like change weapons, or add them, and provide pic of shield, if different :). Thanks
if you saw the image:this is a battle between al moravides and spanish,(i have another image much better),the almoravide horseman have oval shield,armed with sword and long spear,the face is headen.
for infantry they have a different type of shield,and i think that oval shield is'nt a good choice.
for infantry they have a different type of shield,and i think that oval shield is'nt a good choice.
This is a fatimids infantry i did just today.
i must do some of those berbers unit also, i think, with covered and uncovered face.
I need pic for berbers also
i must do some of those berbers unit also, i think, with covered and uncovered face.
I need pic for berbers also
perhaps the shield must be dark,can you change the color of the shield to black it will look better?
Yeah, the peanuts shield came a bit too much oversatured in this environment i used.
must check in game, and see how it comes.
egyptian cavalry
must check in game, and see how it comes.
egyptian cavalry
looks good!
can you replace the javelines with a round shield like this pictur
Arab tribesman
You have mroe pictures like that :)
You have mroe pictures like that :)
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