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  1. #121

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    please make some change berbers,for the andalucians infantry you should make them more influenced by arabs for example(all muslim must unit have the 'amamah) add turban('amamah)to the helmet(in the head)like this pictur:
    Last edited by almazor; 04-03-2006 at 11:15.

  2. #122

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    This msut be the ramat al soudan, from senegal, archer, as written in unit list.
    I hope will go, i like this unit :)


  3. #123

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    It's very good what'is the next unit ?we should do arab noble cavalry?with this you can modify and add unit of berbers like that.
    Last edited by almazor; 04-03-2006 at 17:09.

  4. #124

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    Here is the modified andalusian infantry. added the veil in the back



    Mmm, must check that berber infantry, then can do an arab cavalry.

    I dunno what missing from the list.

    What doesnt like from this unit? (berber infantry)

    Last edited by palissa; 04-03-2006 at 17:48.

  5. #125

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    Excellent imaging palissa, and excellent work, almazor.

    Only my opinion: the unit you call "andalusian infantry" is my proposal for "rabita".

    In this picture from Osprey that almazor mentioned
    https://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?...1thcenturi.jpg
    I think the right low warrior will correspond to "rigal" infantry

    The bowmen corresponds to "rumat al-sinniya".

    At this direction mentioned almazor:
    http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_103_figure_1.htm

    "cavalry" or "knights" correspond to "andalusian cavalry" (as you correctly create)
    "spears" to "rigal"
    "knights", with modifications (turbant, etc), can correspond to "arab noble cavalry".

    And finally the almoravids were a puritanian factions into Islam. At least at first centuries they were very poor for their dresses, meaning the simplicity of the true believers, so the colours should be only black and dark blue, and perhaps, white (the bright colours were considered luxurius). And the shield had not images or decored: plain brown leather or cow skin.

    In the other hand andalusians used very decorated shields with geometric motions.

  6. #126

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    thanks for the replays and also for the compliments,for the rumat al siniya not all that osprey publishing is right for the example the famous mistake of "arab tribes man"(the mistake is that tihs unit is too naked fo arab unit).
    back to rumat al siniya:the objectif is make the rumat more influenced by arab(because they ruled spain under the umayyade).
    for al moravide i agree with you,but for the elite unite we must add something to the shield because this elite unit(blak guard,almoravide warrior...)are the most well equiped unit in the army of almoravides and it's nice for the design of the game.for you proposal of rabita i will think of it and i will speak with palissa,your critics is wellcome and thanks for all.
    Last edited by almazor; 04-03-2006 at 21:01.

  7. #127

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    This is my proposal for a arab cavalry, to complete this almoravides.





    Is kinda simple, but again, got from an osprey plates :)

    This is black guard, if need change, must tell me what prefer.
    Can add a spear as primary weapon, no problem



    Last edited by palissa; 04-03-2006 at 22:07.

  8. #128

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    ok for the black guards if you add a long spear,
    but for arab cavalry it seems like almoravides,you must change the turban(the ammamah to another colors like white),add some armor to it and a rounf little or tiny shield,and also a helmet(muslim type) in the head like another arabo-muslim armies.if you change all of this we will finishing this almoravides very soon
    good work
    we can use this flag for one of the muslm faction
    Last edited by almazor; 04-03-2006 at 23:41.

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    Salaam Alekum! Wonderful work!


    Ya Misr!

  10. #130

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    Ok, can add an helmet over the turbant.
    Shield can only add a buckler, on the left arm, because cant use bow and shield, of course.
    Can add a chain mail also, or prefer a leather mail?

    Let me know.

    Also, how we do bodyguard? Similar armored to black guard?

    I will do also that standard bearer, and then we need those camel drummer.
    Or we need another unit instead, because drums dont have animation.

    I maybe can add on a camel model, but dunno the result and how will go in game.

    Let me know what do you think of it

  11. #131

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    for bodyguards ,the black guard was the bodyguard of the emir almoravides
    we don't need to add a body guard.
    for drumers and this is a pictur of drums

    if you can't add tell me.
    if we can't do this unit we can do another unit.
    the next step:berber infantry,arab light cavalry,camel Drummer.if we finish this we can says to almoravides bye bye and we can move to (andalus,fatimids,Abassides).
    please do modification of arab light cavalry (add buckler),and berber infantry, and camel drummer is the last.
    Last edited by almazor; 04-04-2006 at 10:24.

  12. #132

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    This is the arab cavalry, added helmet, chain mail, buckler.





    What to change in that berber infantry? tell me what we need.
    It has veil on the back, and an armor, and shield.
    Tell me what wrong

  13. #133

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    the arab light cavalry,is good but replace the blue with white or red,for berber infantry you can make them like the rumat al sudan(shield of animal)?
    Last edited by almazor; 04-04-2006 at 16:10.

  14. #134

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    Like rumat al sudan? mean black skin? or just the dress similar?
    And weapons? need an armor?
    Shield of animal skin is the most difficult i fear. need a very good picture to make good shield.

    I thought berber was white skin color, not black. Give me more details :)

  15. #135

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    Here the camel drummer.



    And here the arab cavalry

    Last edited by palissa; 04-04-2006 at 17:12.

  16. #136

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    ok never mind,dress the berbers similar as the rumat al soudane,for animal shield if it's difficult don't do it ,you preserve the old one,add turban and helmet.
    for weapons :shield,spear and a round shield.

  17. #137

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    we have to do now only the berber infantry ?congratulation good units
    Last edited by almazor; 04-04-2006 at 19:09.

  18. #138

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    here berber infantry again. tried a strange animal skin shield :)





    the camel drummer will not use drums, of course, but at least have it on camel.

  19. #139

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    ok it's nice.

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    So will the capitol be at Granada then? Or perhaps in Algiers? I recently read a book about the Alhambra in Granada and the history of Islamic spain... and it seems to me that most of the Caliphs resided around their. Also, im starting to take Arabic and will be willing to help on any translations, but it seems like almazor has got it down.


    Ya Misr!

  21. #141

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    the capital of al andalus under umayyade was cordoba "qurtubah"
    under the almoravides was sevilla also almohades
    granada was a capital of some taifa kingdom like banu ziri(berbers of sanhaja)
    and after the fall of sevilla and cordoba =>granada was the capital of nasrid emirs arab dinasty who will ruled spain for 262 years.

  22. #142

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    Sudanese mercenary infantry (or slave infantry). Can be useful?




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    Heres a unit Idea, but its a bit farfetched...
    You could recruit Kanem-Bornu heavy cavalry from Mali.
    I currently did some reasearch for Pike an Musket II about the West African kingdoms. Tell me what you think for these units (also, sorry the pictures are so big )

    Heres the link: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=63026

    BTW: Nice work!!!


    Ya Misr!

  24. #144

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    ok for this unit you add a helmet and turban,i think it will be a fatimide unit i'm working on a unit list of abassides and olso fatimides.i need only 2 day to do a historical research,after that i will post the unit list,for i think that this pictur can be used for fatimide sudanese unit (and maybe for almoravides if we want add new unit) but add another faction is too dificult(in this periode they was an african empire of Ghana(pagan) but it almoravides crush it).
    Last edited by almazor; 04-05-2006 at 23:43.

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