When does one go to heaven?

**Rodion Romanovich** · 04-07-2006, 08:59

@Divinus Arma: if you commit the sin of bumping you won't go to heaven!

**KafirChobee** · 04-08-2006, 08:17

At first I (was hoping) thought the question was at what point does one go to heaven - as in the old "and the dead shall rise and be judged" ... or the "you will be with me at my father's side this day" (Jesus to the petty criminal being crucified with him - that asked to be saved). Then I read the posts, many not so original ideas ... but, all well presented (mostly).

The idea that one's sins can be forgiven - for a price - is a Catholic one. But, the idea that if you "change your ways" and accept Jesus as your saviour .... wellllllll, that's an evangelican one (Baptisits and such). The idea that if you live your life correctly, harm no one with with intent (except to protect your family), seek a true meaning in life, find your center in the universe, help the less fortunate, judge lest you be judged, and honor yourself - then your a Buddhist.

On old TV (1950s) there was Bishop Sheen, my parents (Lutheran) watched him (and made us - I mean my bro's and me were 6, 4 and 3 - eldest here) religiously. He was great, because he explained things simply (on his blackboard) and never proclaimed his interpretations as being absolutes ... he basically said as long as one believed in something and didn't intentionally break the laws of god, they could (might) get an audience with the lord. Me, I remember his interpretations on angels as though it were yesterday (somethings just stick in your head ... ya' know?). Thing is, getting to heaven has a great deal in acknowledging God, but accepting Jesus has nothing to do with it - except by the interpretation of evangelicals (etc). IMO, that is how it has been presented.

Now, when does one actually attain heaven? Upon death - after X amount of time in purgatory (or do we each find our level on the 9 plat's of H'eck) ..... or do we simply go into a limbo until "judgement day"? When all the dead shall rise and be judged? Or, are we reincarnated 'til judgement day?

Nothing 'bout that thing Bush believes in ... you know where the true believers will be rushed up to heaven on an escallator to watch the end times? Gah! But, when do the true believers actually reach their goal? upon death, or the end of times? Don't mean to hi-jack the thread, am just curious.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 04-08-2006, 21:33

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Now, when does one actually attain heaven? Upon death - after X amount of time in purgatory (or do we each find our level on the 9 plat's of H'eck) ..... or do we simply go into a limbo until "judgement day"? When all the dead shall rise and be judged? Or, are we reincarnated 'til judgement day?
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my problem with the idea of purgatory is that i have never seen jesus mention it in the bible, and if it exists, surely he would have mentioned it?

time is just another dimention and can be manipulated, so when we all die we could go straight to a judgement day surely?

**KafirChobee** · 04-09-2006, 17:52

OH, OH!!!! I know this one's origin - about purgatory .... it's that phrase about Jesus descending into Hell and then rising from the dead and then ascending into heaven. No?