When does one go to heaven?

**Kanamori** · 04-10-2006, 01:45

Eh, meh, not really belonging in this thread.

**Don Corleone** · 04-10-2006, 01:50

Originally Posted by Kanamori

To be a bit combative, I wonder why I should accept Jesus' explanation over anyone else. Even better, why should I accept the Bible's account, I've read it, and it was not God talking to me. The only authority above myself is God, and God hasn't been talking to me lately. Of course, not taking the Bible as an authority over myself, because it is not God, could be a sin, but I think there are very few that will be pleased w/ this conclusion.

You ever wonder if it's that God quit talking to you, or you already have all the answers and quit listening?

**Kanamori** · 04-10-2006, 01:53

If I cannot identify that God is God, I'm in a whole lot of trouble, no matter what.

**Don Corleone** · 04-10-2006, 02:03

Originally Posted by Kanamori

If I cannot identify that God is God, I'm in a whole lot of trouble, no matter what.

Yahweh is who is. Whether you choose to know Him, seek Him and listen to Him is entirely up to you. He doesn't change, you do.

**KafirChobee** · 04-17-2006, 06:02

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Yahweh is who is. Whether you choose to know Him, seek Him and listen to Him is entirely up to you. He doesn't change, you do.

Know what, you almost seem to know what you are talking about - but, then you get definative that you are right and no one else should have an opinion. It is a matter that you, and you alone know the truth - what ever that truth might be.

Now, I like your allegory about the kid and booze (think I heard that one by my pastor back in 1962), but to use such things to attempt to make a point? I must ask, what is your point? That you and only you know right from wrong? That we change as does the direction of the wind? [when, how, and why - when will people accept the law that abortion is legal? - or is mans' law lesser than the gods'] Do men have free will, or are we governed by the will of god - as, Bush confesses to be ("God, made me president").

Perceptions, ideals, ideas, concepts, philosophys, theorys, axioms, or unbiased (or biased) opininions - all are relevant. The idea that one idea of god is superior to another? Well, that's from those convinced that only they and they alone know the truth ..... like say the jihadist and the christian right. The rest of us are open to ideas - I mean, I like the idea of wood nyphms. Why not?

So, when does one go to heaven? At death? Or, at the end of times?

**Don Corleone** · 04-17-2006, 14:49

When did I say I was right and nobody else was entitled to an opinion?

Read my post to Duke John's question directly. I said what I thought and offered to discuss it with him further.

Some people started saying that they didn't think there could be a God, because evil happens and He allows it. I tried to offer an alternative explanation for what happens, and you come along and declare me to be intolerant and self-righteous.

You know, Khafir, I don't think in the two years I've been on here, you've ever had anything even remotely nice to say about me. You've called me a host of names I cannot repeat without getting warned, which is funny, because you didn't get warned when you called me them. I thought this might actually be the first time you weren't going to be downright insulting, and then I re-read your post above and recognized that this was one of your more nefarious attacks to date.

If the best you can do is to just continue to mispresent what I've said and then insult me on the basis of what you've construed, perhaps you should simply add me to your ignore list. I can assure you, I'm not worth the agitation and heartburn I apaprently cause you.

**KafirChobee** · 04-17-2006, 15:04

Insult? Challange, yes. Insult, no. Sorry, you took it that way Don.
Must be my aggressive style of writing - will try to be more cautious in the future (though at my age don't count on much).