oh, and usually the game ends beofre they have a chance to fully recover from when i attacked them in the beginning, but i did notice in this campaign they've built their forces up pretty quick. I think they have like 3 full armies and its been probably 4-5 years since they have surrendered. I had a campaign earlier that i had to delete where i had germania, britannia, spain, macedon, and carthage as protectorates, carthage was the last faction i subdued then i became imperator, and i only physically owned 14 settlements. probably the most interesting campaign i've had.

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