Pornography

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women



Yeah, she was pretty far out there. But she also had some interesting stuff to say. I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way. She talked at great length about this and then jumped to "one in three women will be raped at some time" and began talking about the terrible effects of rape. I would like some information/insight on how that jump is made. I think you can make a connection between watching women presented as objects and women being felt up on a train, but it is hard to believe that it could cause someone to cross the line into rape. What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?

And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?

[Strike For The South]

Ive seen porn and not once have a gone and tried to rape someone. However since im a dude I should be caged just to make sure I stay in line becuase ya know my lust can be used as a weapon

[master of the puppets]

...uh...well...porn (;

[mercian billman]

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

I believe that George Bush has far more respect for woman than Max does, seriously his stuff is pretty disgusting.

While I don't believe porn incites rape, I do believe it affects the way men treat women. Let's face it a 15-16 year old male (possibly younger) who downloads porn doesn't have a lot of money or access to high quality porn. The result of this is that he ends up downloading "free" porn which is a lot different from stuff you get from companies like Vivid and Digital Entertainment. Low quality/amateur/fetish porn is usually done cheaply and the women who do these films are generally treated very poorly, whereas in high quality porn the women are treated better and make a lot more money.

The problem is most people aren't willing to spend $40-$50 to buy high quality porn and instead end up downloading low quality porn.

[master of the puppets]

but really i'm quite placid and respect women, but i say as i am a guy i refer to porn as different than an actual women. its the difference between reality and movies.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I don't care what she says just dont take away my porrrrrrn!!!!!!

[Byzantine Prince]

Men don't understand themselves much less women

Umm, is this sexist towards women?

I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way.

Everything has an effect on people, we can't censor the entire world by what we think might turn people nuts.

What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?

Pornography helps people release themselves from imidiate sexual urge, which could escalate into rape, if left untreated. So I would think it is a good thing.
I think what should be done is children should be exposed to it at a younger age, even the more hardcore porn.

And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?

No.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Umm, is this sexist towards women?


Everything has an effect on people, we can't censor the entire world by what we think might turn people nuts.


Pornography helps people release themselves from imidiate sexual urge, which could escalate into rape, if left untreated. So I would think it is a good thing.
I think what should be done is children should be exposed to it at a younger age, even the more hardcore porn.


No.

That made me laugh!

Would it be alright if I put a porn link here?

[Major Robert Dump]

most people's idea of porn is grossly underexaggerated. People are doing decadent stuff out there you never even thought was possible, therefore I don't think porn analogies and references to modern culture can even begin to explain a thing.

[GoreBag]

That made me laugh!

Would it be alright if I put a porn link here?

Nah, I got in trouble for doing that once.

I'm not familiar with Max Hardcore, but I'm pretty sure it's standard industry practice by now.

[BigTex]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women



Yeah, she was pretty far out there. But she also had some interesting stuff to say. I think it is pretty obvious that what people see in the media has an effect on them, so pornography would have an effect on people's sexuality in some way. She talked at great length about this and then jumped to "one in three women will be raped at some time" and began talking about the terrible effects of rape. I would like some information/insight on how that jump is made. I think you can make a connection between watching women presented as objects and women being felt up on a train, but it is hard to believe that it could cause someone to cross the line into rape. What is the result of pornography? And what should be done about it?

And how is the "one in three" figure actually calculated?

I hate modern feminists, they make what the women back in the 1800's and 1900's look horrible. Women arnt exploited in porno's, they make a substantial amount of cash for them. Quite a good number of them are multi millionaires. First before making a judgement on her statements you need to get some facts on her studies. What is her definition of abuse, alot of the bulls**t statistics include being spanked and being yelled at as abuse. You also need to get the definition of what that study defined as rape, quite honestly i've heard of sexual harrasment and sex with the boss considered rape in those studies.

Also why do they have pornography and women linked, last i checked there was usually a man involved in porno. I might add an ABC study showed that men made 1/3 or less the money then what women made for the porno's. Saying women are exploited is saying men arnt involved at all, those men make substantially less. Last I checked the feminists of the 1960's and 1970's were proud to do things like this, becuase it was illegal, doing it was supporting feminism. Modern feminists are nothing more then bigoted nazi's waving a pretty pink flag, come on.

[Tachikaze]

I don't think pornography causes much. You can draw correlations, but they go the other way: certain men get obsessed with porn. Porn doesn't cause them to become obsessed. The obsession comes from other causes.

To me, pornography is for men what romance novels are to women.

Rape is an act of violence caused by a person with deep-rooted emotional problems. It's silly to say that pornography causes it. Rapists may be major porn consumers, but porn is not the cause of their crimes.

[Ser Clegane]

Rape is an act of violence caused by a person with deep-rooted emotional problems. It's silly to say that pornography causes it. Rapists may be major porn consumers, but porn is not the cause of their crimes.

I think that nails it - and I this issue seems to be pretty much comparable to the perceived correlation between violent video games and teenagers who go berzerk

[Major Robert Dump]

Pornography is, essentially, legalized prostitution, and I thibk thats where feminists have their big beef, they don't like women using their tits instead of their brains to make a buck, but really its no different than men using their muscles and brawn to make a buck as opposed to their brains. Sexuality be damned, its all about the money, yet oddly enough plenty of places still go to extremes to prevent it. For example, in areas where pornography is legal to shoot and produce, police go after men who advertise for roomates who will get free rent in exchange for sex. How in the hell is that any different than pornography?

States that allow porn but not prostitution are retarded, At least I live in one that doesn't allow anything, but hey! bear wrestling is still legal!!!!!

[spmetla]

Well here I am looking at porn while browsing the forums, am I a sicko future rapists as well?

Porn is fine, if we didn't have porn we'd just need to go to more strip clubs or mud wrestling contests.

I'm attracted to the female body, I enjoy seeing pictures and videos of them and theres nothing wrong with that, I know some people that don't like porn but whatever I don't force porn on them and they don't preach their ideals to me which is how life should be.

[Ja'chyra]

Tbh, my significant other likes watching porn more than I do, does that make her a rapist too?

[Vladimir]

All she needs to believe now is that abortions are a good thing and you have yourself a feminazi. You should be honored as those are a rare find indeed. Maybe she should be put in a museum or in a large glass jar for preservation.

[TonkaToys]

Here's an interesting article linking porn to rape. It is a pretty nasty case, so those easily upset, blah blah blah

Violent pornography blamed for turning boy aged 14 into a rapist
He lured four girls from swings and forced them to commit sex act

[Kanamori]

It was probably already illegal for him to purchase pornography at that age, no?


At any rate, I fail to see how pornograph compels someone to do something like this, it certainly wasn't whispering in his ear. Even providing inspiration doesn't mean the pornography caused it. And it certainly didn't jump off some shelf and attack the young girls. The blame lies squarly on the deranged kid.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

know something that always amazes me about porn?

the stretching abilities of orifices:
"I bet you cant take a baseball bat"
"pfft, easy, I can fit a train in there"

[Devastatin Dave]

So a speaker came to my school (Dr. Gail Dines) and gave a presentation on "Pornography and Media Images of Women". In her presentation I learned that:

George Bush is very similar to "Max Hardcore"

People who enjoy bondage were sexually abused as children

Sado-Masochism is behind the invasion of Iraq

Pornography would go away if we were all Marxist

Men don't understand themselves much less women

LOL, looks like leftist propaganda and Bush hatred has gone to a new level. Porn would go away if we were all Marxists? Are you payng for this "education" or is this free? Seriously, do you agree with her opinion?

[Ser Clegane]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

“The only way males can show emotion towards women is anger,”

has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (quoted statement at the very end)

[BigTex]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (quoted statement at the very end)

Yeah she's one of the sexist women of America with a access to a loudspeaker. The "facts" she quotes can be easily scewed. I'd put in her quote about playgirl to playboy, but apparently when women buy playgirl they only read it for the articles, but men well they take advantage of the pixels! Who woulda thought there's such a diversity in reasons for buying porn . I see she has not given her reason for being a vengeful banshee, wonder who or what happened to her.

Originally posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
the stretching abilities of orifices:
"I bet you cant take a baseball bat"
"pfft, easy, I can fit a train in there"

I don't think a train will fit. Maybe a baseball bat though.

[doc_bean]

well, i for one believe she is right.

After all, in areas were there is less easy access to porn, say Afghanistan or Central Africa rape never happens...




But I don't think exposing young children to porn is good though, sex doesn't look very 'woman-friendly' in general. With all the thrusting and all the screaming.
Actually I think this is why the femnazi's dislike porn, it shows women at their most vulnerable, losing their self control because of a man...

[Tachikaze]

I am not against feminism. There are extreme feminists that I disagree with, but they are a vocal minority. One point of disagreement I often have with feminists is pornography and prostitution.

A lot of it boils down to definitions. What qualifies as prostitution? MRD pointed out that the deifinition of pornography is also hard to nail down.

In their extremes, both can be very damaging, humiliating, degrading, dangerous, and even fatal, and I despise them. But, they both also can have a functional place in society. They are only degrading if we make them degrading.

[Viking]

But I don't think exposing young children to porn is good though, sex doesn't look very 'woman-friendly' in general. With all the thrusting and all the screaming.
Actually I think this is why the femnazi's dislike porn, it shows women at their most vulnerable, losing their self control because of a man...

Reality is reality. We need more realists, not pathetic people. The earlier exposed for it, the more "natural" sex will be for people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

LOL, looks like leftist propaganda and Bush hatred has gone to a new level. Porn would go away if we were all Marxists? Are you payng for this "education" or is this free? Seriously, do you agree with her opinion?

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.

[Viking]

Haha, certainly not. She's pretty wacko like I said. She did make some good points about images in the media causing anorexia and that kind of thing. I always thought that porn didn't have any effect, but recently on another forum I saw several guys claiming that "all women want to be dominated in the bedroom even if they don't admit it". I can't tell for sure where that idea comes from, porn would seem the logical place.

Heh. I read about a study that showed that many women had fantasies of being "raped"(not a real rape, of course) by their boyfriend/husband. Don`t remember how many, tho.

[master of the puppets]

weird, buts still i see the accusation unfounded, a rapists is a deranged scumsucker 99.9% of the time regardless of what they may have watched as a wretched little freak.

let um have there porn when young, but teach them the difference between it and the real thing, tell them that there is a difference between girls in a movie and ones on the street. and if they fail to learn this lesson...then beat the domination loving piss out of the ass-hole and instead teach them that all things have consequences.

[Big_John]

I think a woman who makes a statement like this one

has a bit of a credibility issue... (and/or lets perhaps personal experience cloud her judgement)

source (quoted statement at the very end)

to be fair, i think she is talking about men's emotions within the purview of pornography

(i think...)