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Why do people find it necessary to smoke while eatting? I don't smoke, but I can assume you have absolutely no will power if you cannot eat a meal without lighting up a cig.Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I worked a diner before and I am extrelemy glad this been put into effect.
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Except that they save thousands of lives.
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I've to disagree with you and agree with Crazed Rabbit. It seems that smoking doesn't cause cancer, or it causes it in so few cases that it isn't reasonable to ban it. This law is just authoritarism, and for what I know it happened on USA too, I hope this kind of mind set doesn't expands to the south too, I don't smoke, in fact I find it disgusting, but in society we've to learn to accept other people's habits unless they hurt other people.
Beyond that it seems that every study devoloped in USA showed between the considarations and tests a tendence to non-causation, but to push an agenda this agencies showed the conclusion first and in big letters saying that it causes it. Anyone who can read and has the will could discover it by himself (Material extracted from Penn & Teller's: Bullshit).
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So your source is a pair of psychotic magicians vs Doctors, Scientists and cigarette manufacturers.
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Do you have any statistics on that ?
BTW sports cause quite a few fatalities and a whole lot more injuries, a very large drain on our already weak social security system, should we ban all sports then ?
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yes, we should ban sports
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As an Irish Orgite (irealnd has had the ban for a few years) I can wholeheartedly say that this is not some quasi fascist conspiracy designed to reduce people's freedoms as some people would have you believe. Practically everyone I know, smokers and non smokers, now hail the ban as a HUGE success. Bars, pubs and resteraunts are infinitely more pleasurable to be be. A new culture of going out for a smoke has emerged, where the specially allocated outdoor areas at the back of pubs and clubs are now a perfect place to get a few minutes out of the load music/atmosphere and have a quiter chat and meet new people... if you know what I mean!Hey, and if it works with Irish weather, then it'll work ANYWHERE! My shirts no longer need chemical treatment to get them to stop stinking. Food is so much more enjoyable without adding the "smoked" flavour to everything. Smoking numbers have dropped dramatically. Down from about 32% to low 23% (roughly). When I go abroad, I find I dont like going out as much precisely because of the smoke. I would be much more likely to go to a country where there is a similar ban.
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Where I work the overwhelming majority of staff and patrons welcome a ban on smoking. Most of the rest are indifferent. Even the smokers hate smoke when they are eating, and many welcome the move in the belief that it will help them cut down or give up entirely. I would guess that the smoker/non-smoker split is roughly 40/60, maybe more. And this isn't some trendy cosmopolitan bar but a small town local pub.
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After the smoking ban in Italy half a million people stopped smoking there. That implies thousands of people not dying from it. Granted, it doesn't consider how many people would have stopped without the ban, but a ban is a great help for people who want to stop.
Sport causes fatalities but in general it is rather healthy. Before you summon other examples: no other behaviour cases as much death as smoking. 5 million people every year. Worried about a pandemy? We already got one. Smoking.
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I'm still smoking. Less and less, and in fewer and fewer places (basically nowhere indoors). You know what surprises me? Two things:
1) The vehemence of the anti-smoking crowd
2) How fast we've changed from a mostly-smoking society to a non-smoking one. I mean the whole political movement has really only existed since the 80's.
When I grew up, everybody smoked... the only issue was what brand, or whether cigarette, cigar or pipe. Of course, I'm not employing the "everybody did it" defense here - just pointing out how quickly things can change.
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It's a bit much to have it banned from all enclosed public areas. There are simply places that are dedicated to smoking, and to endulging smokers. It seems silly to ban smoking in these places, as the person working in the establishment must have experience as a smoker to work there. E.g., places like Che and Boisdale. Nobody goes there not expecting smoke, and it is almost an atmosphere centered around the smoker. The means are more restrictive than they have to be in order to get their end, in the first place. Otherwise, I see no difference between this and banning smoking in most restaurants. The act of smoking is not being banned, but as I said the means are more restrictive than need be, but only restricted in concern for public safety. Similarly, minus the health part, one cannot start watching/looking at pornogaphy in an open park, they must do it in their home. There is an interest to be served in both cases, and the actual act of both is not being banned outright.
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