Racism in Sweden

[Radier]

Swedish link: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=531981

What is this all about then? Well we have alot of racism in Sweden... In fact we have twenty times as many racist crimes than our neighbours in Denmark. This is something that newspapers allways write about.

But this article in DN (Dagens Nyheter), a large Swedish newspaper, bring racism in to new lights. It is not racist Swedes but racist immegrants in Malmö where allmost 50% of the population are immegrants.

Robbery is a common crime in Malmö. Statistics prove it and my family there confirms it. The remarkable about the 11 robbers which are being interviewed in this article is that they all only rob Swedes. They 'are at war with the Swedes'.

"A wonderfull feeling spreads in your body when you rob", one of them says. "You feel happy".

It goes on...

"Power for me is when Swedes lay down and kiss my feet" a youth says. "It is so easy to rob Swedes, so easy."

"The Swedes do nothing. They just give us their things. They are sissies."

Ok this makes me very sad. I can get beaten up and robbed just because I look like a Swede. This is pure racism but the politicians ignore it. It is us Swedes that are racists they teach us. Grr... Everything has to be so PC these days. In Sweden you can barely speak about the failed immegrationpolitics because then you are labled as a racist.

In 2050 Swedes will be in minority. More crime, more violent immegrant gangs, more povertry. This country is about to die...

[GoreBag]

I wouldn't say that the country's about to die, but welcome to North American race relations.

[Papewaio]

So what do Swedes look like? Would I be able to pass as one?

Sure this isn't more of a socio-economic war then a racial one? I assume that rich immigrants aren't doing the mugging...

[doc_bean]

You really do sound like sissies...

All criminals should be threated equal, regardless of their etnic background.

And you shouldn't just give up your money, at least put up a fight...

[Radier]

You really do sound like sissies...

All criminals should be threated equal, regardless of their etnic background.

And you shouldn't just give up your money, at least put up a fight...

Excuse me but it is not that easy when they come five to one and all of them wear knifes! Resist and you risk to die...

[doc_bean]

Excuse me but it is not that easy when they come five to one and all of them wear knifes! Resist and you risk to die...

Ah sorry, from your quotes it sounded like it were single robbers, not group robbings. there indeed isn't much you can do then.

Have you (Sweden) considered camera security ? It would probably help identify the robbers and increase the safety.

[Radier]

So what do Swedes look like? Would I be able to pass as one?

Sure this isn't more of a socio-economic war then a racial one? I assume that rich immigrants aren't doing the mugging...

Exactly. What does a Swede look like?

I know a guy; He has very dark hair. One of these gangs came to him and the leader asked: "Are you swedish". "Yes", the poor guy answered and guess what happened... Well in a second he realized that he ought to have answered no.

Pure racism I say again. They call us "Svennar". All the time. It is a negative word on Swedes, just like n-iggers for black people. Politicians allways scream about the socio-economic shit. I am sure that that is a major factor but alot of poor Swedes and other poor westerners allmost never gang up and rob people... They are allways from Asia, Africa, South-America or maybee Balcan. Allways...



Doc_bean, I really agree that more cameras are needed. I don't know how that is going though...

[YanTraken]

HI there.
I`m not a racist,please remember that:
I like Swedes and the rest of scandinavians,and I wish them what good is.I see them as a peaceful nations(since XVII cent.;) which only want to live and grove better. A lot of immigrants had chosen scandinavia because they had such a vision.BUt as we all know some of them are ,or becomes criminals.Time of calm scandinavian societies has passed-and it`s sad.You are forced to reform Your police and judge system to make it more efficient.Unfortunately!
In my opinion because of such immigrant behavior Your immigrant law needs to be changed!Mabe there is a time when a nation has to say Stop?

[Scurvy]

I I am sure that that is a major factor but alot of poor Swedes and other poor westerners allmost never gang up and rob people... They are allways from Asia, Africa, South-America or maybee Balcan. Allways...

That might be because westerners dont normally need to mug people to provide for themselves + there families...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sounds like you guys need some more of these:

The Mossberg 500, 18 and 1/2 inch barrel, 6 shell capacity.

Or, if you're walking in the city, a law that allows the concealed carrying of weapons:

The Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ) SP-01 9mm pistol.

Are people awakening to the fact that perhaps some immigrants don't want to integrate, they want to take over?

Crazed Rabbit

[BDC]

Xenophobe...

They only want to take over the local crime niches. The dull menial jobs are probably theirs already.

[Lazul]

I will restrain myself from presenting examples of what I have experianced and heard. Mostly couse there are so many, and also, becouse some stories really doesnt make sense.

Now, the problem is that the politicans, being cowards, never talk of this as an major issue. They simple dont give a shit about people living in areas where they are to scared to be outdoors at night.

Before I was very open to more immigrants coming here, to have a rather "open arms" politic... screw that, I have had enough of people trying to beat me up. I know im being very radical, but I'm sick to death of it.

Im turning more and more into an isolationistic socialist every day. The problem is tho, that most immigrants do behave, they work, pay taxes etc, then there are "the scum of the earth"... who doesnt.

Another problem is the fact that right-wing extremist and fascist groups gain support and sympathy, their words sounds better and better as this just keeps on going.

In the end, its our politicians who have failed us, horribly.

[Scurvy]

i think its hard to blame politicians, without an "open arms" policy people would still try to illegally migrate, there are examples in UK where people have died trying...

the fascist groups are a problem as they never consider both sides of the problem, and so hardly represent the real points "against" illegal migration (as such)

[Kraxis]

i think its hard to blame politicians, without an "open arms" policy people would still try to illegally migrate, there are examples in UK where people have died trying...

Actually it is... It is working quite well in Denmark. I think the difference between Denmark and UK is that in Denmark you need to prove who you are at basically all corners. Banks, social, hospitals, libraries, even work... Anything where any service is needed. You can of course cheat it, but it is simply not worth the effort.

Now, the problem is that the politicans, being cowards, never talk of this as an major issue. They simple dont give a shit about people living in areas where they are to scared to be outdoors at night.

I'm sorry for that. We had it similar here in Denmark until 2001. I guess since you are a Swede you know what has happened since, not that I particularly like everything about it.

But the fact is that your politicians have been raving about what Denmark has done. I mean they have really been giving us a piece of their mind. Now they can't go back on that. You know how politicians are about being wrong about big, slow issues, they simply can't do that.
You need a new generation of politicians, but sadly I think they will get either kept down by the older generations (who will only let people of their own beliefs in), or get put into the cold by the Swedish media.

I think you have a party that is similar to Dansk Folkeparti (Danish Peoples Party), but it is never allowed by the media to get it's thoughts out to the public. Now, I don't like DF, bu I certainly prefer them over nazis (which you incidentally have a lot more of I'm sad to say) or the apologists of the far left (or one specific party in the center grrrr).

[Sjakihata]

Now, I don't like DF, bu I certainly prefer them over nazis

And you prefer a Tuborg over a Carlsberg, it's the same deal.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sounds like Sweden could use legalized guns.

It's not a gun thread, man.

[Sjakihata]

Sounds like Sweden could use legalized guns.

Yes, let's start a street war instead of solving the problem, jeez.

[Strike For The South]

So they rob yall just becuase your sweedish?

[Papewaio]

Sweet, lets throw gas on the bonfire so it minimises harm!

[Sjakihata]

That would solve the problem, though. As far as I can tell, Sweden is in a very good position to enforce registration and responsible ownership of guns for home protection. Look at the American statistics if you like, guns stop home invasions. With a good system in place to ensure it's difficult to sell guns illegally I think Sweden could have the best of both worlds.

I'm not trying to start a gun thread, but I think it's a shame you guys have such a knee-jerk reaction to such an obvious solution.

Well, apparently the problem isnt home invasion.

It's so funny, there's a problem, the average american answer is bomb it or give them guns. Terrorism is obviously founded at social issues (most of the times, naturally there is the few insane ones, but they are out of pedagogical (sp?) reach) as is with immigration the social problem - which you cannot sovle with arms, maybe if you started looking a bit harder you'd find the root of the problem, and you know, just like weed, if you cut away the plant it will still flower next spring, cut the root and it's gone for good.

Guns wont solve the problem, that's a fact.

[Kagemusha]

I think that the key problem is that the Swedish Immigration policy has been very liberal even on a Scandinavian scale. You just have simply too many immigrants that they wont assimilate in your culture anymore.Also the concentrating the housing of immigrants on certain areas have produced Ghettos. I think the main problem you face now is that these Gangstas you talk about are infact mostly Swedish citizens born in Sweden from immigrant parents.
Is this the case or am i shooting in the dark?

[Sjakihata]

Also the concentrating the housing of immigrants on certain areas have produced Ghettos. I think the main problem you face now is that these Gangstas you talk about are infact mostly Swedish citizens born in Sweden from immigrant parents.
Is this the case or am i shooting in the dark?

This is completely true for Denmark, it's the so called second (or even third) generation who makes most of the trouble. Often because they are unemployed, alienated and feel useless for society. Social issues.

[Sjakihata]

Knee-Jerk rhetoric.

Instead of attacking my rhetoric, try to focus on my arguments.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Radier is right, I can only confirm his experience. A large segment of criminals of west and north African decent do single out white victims. Molesting white women, beating up white guys gains you more 'respect' points in gangsta' circles.

Then there's the trio of Jews, gays and women. It's suicidal for them to walk in a muslim controlled part of France. Well, of those three, white women at least have the choice to walk around covered, heads down and showing submission to muslim men.

Before I was very open to more immigrants coming here, to have a rather "open arms" politic... screw that, I have had enough of people trying to beat me up. I know im being very radical, but I'm sick to death of it.

Im turning more and more into an isolationistic socialist every day. The problem is tho, that most immigrants do behave, they work, pay taxes etc, then there are "the scum of the earth"... who doesnt.

It is a horrible feeling, isn't it? Only a few years ago, I would never have written what I wrote above. I wouldn't even have believed it.

It is a tragedy. For Europe. But also for the first generation immigrants, for (north-African) muslim parents who came here, have lead a decent live of hard work, and now see their sons run rampant. It is a tragedy for that majority of immigrants who just go about their own business and lead perfectly respectable lives.

[Sjakihata]

What argument? All I saw was a rhetorical attack on the character of the american people.

My argument is that a gun will not help the current situation in Sweden, on the contrary. If guns get easily accesible it will be just like putting gas on a bonfire hoping to extinguish the flames, what happens is quite the opposite - exactly as Pape put it.

What makes you so sure a gun will scare off the muggers? You dont think they will be carrying one?

[Kagemusha]

This is completely true for Denmark, it's the so called second (or even third) generation who makes most of the trouble. Often because they are unemployed, alienated and feel useless for society. Social issues.

Yep.If thats the case the problem is more of a Social problem then immigration problem. In Finland the most problematic minority has been the "gypsies" or Romanic people as they are called here.But both the "Gypsies" and Finns have had their share on causing the problems. I think the best way to avoid this kind of problem is to spread out the housing of the Immigrants so they start to live inside the Nation and the Culture and not to make "cultural pockets",that isolates and alianates them from the majority.But if that doesnt help and they start to behave like Criminals there should be enough will to treat them like the criminals they are in that case.Belonging on a ethnic minority shouldnt provide an excuse of criminal behaviour to anyone.

[Kagemusha]

Did you even read my post before you came up with that argument? It would work if Sweden was prepared to enforce gun ownership restrictions, or even restrict them purely to house-holds, banning them from public use. Baby steps and all that.

Here in America, guns in homes do, in fact, stop home invasions. You see it on the news constantly, stuff like "Old granny shoots would-be burglar in the foot, cops apprehend the limping suspect three blocks away." There are no reliable statistics to suggest guns increase the crime rate.

I dont know how much weapons there are on private citizens in Sweden but i think what this thread is about is street crime not home invading.In Finland we have the third highest amount of private Firearms per citizen in the world after USA and Jemen.Exact number is 1.8million registered privately owned firearms on the population of about 5.2 million.
But then the street crime here are mostly assaults not robberys.If the Finns would be carriying their weapons around in public then the drunk fighting that is very common "sport" around here would turn into shootings so i think that its lot safer that people keep their guns at home on their Gun safes rather then carry them around.Getting stupid ideas.

[Kagemusha]

I think according to Radiers original post i it was more about street mugging and robberys,not so much about burglarys or home invasions.

[Kagemusha]

In that case I still think Sweden's best bet is to legalize guns. But I think creating responsible concealed carry permits might be too big of a step for knee-jerk liberal sweden.

I dont think the Swedes have a gun "ban".The system is just different then in US.I dont know the Swedish legistlation well enough to be sure,but here in Finland all the guns are registred like cars for example. Before you purchase a gun,you have to get a permit to own one and things like criminal record prevent that.That way the police knows the guns that are lawfully purchased and if invidual is catched carrying an unregistred gun he will be picked up immediately.Here in order to carry around a concealed weapon you need to give up a very good reason for that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In that case I still think Sweden's best bet is to legalize guns. But I think creating responsible concealed carry permits might be too big of a step for knee-jerk liberal sweden.

I thought racism was the problem. Robbery would be the symptom.