Swedish link:
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=531981
What is this all about then? Well we have alot of racism in Sweden... In fact we have twenty times as many racist crimes than our neighbours in Denmark. This is something that newspapers allways write about.
But this article in DN (Dagens Nyheter), a large Swedish newspaper, bring racism in to new lights. It is not racist Swedes but racist immegrants in Malmö where allmost 50% of the population are immegrants.
Robbery is a common crime in Malmö. Statistics prove it and my family there confirms it. The remarkable about the 11 robbers which are being interviewed in this article is that they all only rob Swedes. They 'are at war with the Swedes'.
"A wonderfull feeling spreads in your body when you rob", one of them says. "You feel happy".
It goes on...
"Power for me is when Swedes lay down and kiss my feet" a youth says. "It is so easy to rob Swedes, so easy."
"The Swedes do nothing. They just give us their things. They are sissies."
Ok this makes me very sad. I can get beaten up and robbed just because I look like a Swede. This is pure racism but the politicians ignore it. It is us Swedes that are racists they teach us. Grr...

Everything has to be so PC these days. In Sweden you can barely speak about the failed immegrationpolitics because then you are labled as a racist.
In 2050 Swedes will be in minority. More crime, more violent immegrant gangs, more povertry. This country is about to die...
I wouldn't say that the country's about to die, but welcome to North American race relations.
Papewaio 21:02 03-26-2006
So what do Swedes look like? Would I be able to pass as one?
Sure this isn't more of a socio-economic war then a racial one? I assume that rich immigrants aren't doing the mugging...
Originally Posted by Papewaio:
So what do Swedes look like? Would I be able to pass as one?
Sure this isn't more of a socio-economic war then a racial one? I assume that rich immigrants aren't doing the mugging...
Exactly. What does a Swede look like?
I know a guy; He has very dark hair. One of these gangs came to him and the leader asked: "Are you swedish". "Yes", the poor guy answered and guess what happened... Well in a second he realized that he ought to have answered no.
Pure racism I say again. They call us "Svennar". All the time. It is a negative word on Swedes, just like n-iggers for black people. Politicians allways scream about the socio-economic shit. I am sure that that is a major factor but alot of poor Swedes and other poor westerners allmost never gang up and rob people... They are allways from Asia, Africa, South-America or maybee Balcan. Allways...
Doc_bean, I really agree that more cameras are needed. I don't know how that is going though...
Originally Posted by Radier:
I I am sure that that is a major factor but alot of poor Swedes and other poor westerners allmost never gang up and rob people... They are allways from Asia, Africa, South-America or maybee Balcan. Allways...
That might be because westerners dont normally need to mug people to provide for themselves + there families...
Crazed Rabbit 22:10 03-26-2006
Sounds like you guys need some more of these:

The Mossberg 500, 18 and 1/2 inch barrel, 6 shell capacity.
Or, if you're walking in the city, a law that allows the concealed carrying of weapons:

The Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ) SP-01 9mm pistol.
Are people awakening to the fact that perhaps some immigrants don't want to integrate, they want to take over?
Crazed Rabbit
Xenophobe...
They only want to take over the local crime niches. The dull menial jobs are probably theirs already.
doc_bean 21:02 03-26-2006
You really do sound like sissies...
All criminals should be threated equal, regardless of their etnic background.
And you shouldn't just give up your money, at least put up a fight...
Originally Posted by doc_bean:
You really do sound like sissies...
All criminals should be threated equal, regardless of their etnic background.
And you shouldn't just give up your money, at least put up a fight...
Excuse me but it is not that easy when they come five to one and all of them wear knifes! Resist and you risk to die...
doc_bean 21:13 03-26-2006
Originally Posted by Radier:
Excuse me but it is not that easy when they come five to one and all of them wear knifes! Resist and you risk to die...
Ah sorry, from your quotes it sounded like it were single robbers, not group robbings. there indeed isn't much you can do then.
Have you (Sweden) considered camera security ? It would probably help identify the robbers and increase the safety.
YanTraken 21:38 03-26-2006
HI there.
I`m not a racist,please remember that:
I like Swedes and the rest of scandinavians,and I wish them what good is.I see them as a peaceful nations(since XVII cent.;) which only want to live and grove better. A lot of immigrants had chosen scandinavia because they had such a vision.BUt as we all know some of them are ,or becomes criminals.Time of calm scandinavian societies has passed-and it`s sad.You are forced to reform Your police and judge system to make it more efficient.Unfortunately!
In my opinion because of such immigrant behavior Your immigrant law needs to be changed!Mabe there is a time when a nation has to say Stop?
Sasaki Kojiro 00:58 03-27-2006
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
Sounds like Sweden could use legalized guns.
It's not a gun thread, man.
Sjakihata 00:59 03-27-2006
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
Sounds like Sweden could use legalized guns.
Yes, let's start a street war instead of solving the problem, jeez.
Sjakihata 01:21 03-27-2006
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube:
That would solve the problem, though. As far as I can tell, Sweden is in a very good position to enforce registration and responsible ownership of guns for home protection. Look at the American statistics if you like, guns stop home invasions. With a good system in place to ensure it's difficult to sell guns illegally I think Sweden could have the best of both worlds.
I'm not trying to start a gun thread, but I think it's a shame you guys have such a knee-jerk reaction to such an obvious solution.
Well, apparently the problem isnt home invasion.
It's so funny, there's a problem, the average american answer is bomb it or give them guns. Terrorism is obviously founded at social issues (most of the times, naturally there is the few insane ones, but they are out of pedagogical (sp?) reach) as is with immigration the social problem - which you cannot sovle with arms, maybe if you started looking a bit harder you'd find the root of the problem, and you know, just like weed, if you cut away the plant it will still flower next spring, cut the root and it's gone for good.
Guns wont solve the problem, that's a fact.
Sjakihata 01:25 03-27-2006
Originally Posted by
Gelatinous Cube:
Knee-Jerk rhetoric.
Instead of attacking my rhetoric, try to focus on my arguments.
Louis VI the Fat 01:26 03-27-2006
Radier is right, I can only confirm his experience. A large segment of criminals of west and north African decent do single out white victims. Molesting white women, beating up white guys gains you more 'respect' points in gangsta' circles.
Then there's the trio of Jews, gays and women. It's suicidal for them to walk in a muslim controlled part of France. Well, of those three, white women at least have the choice to walk around covered, heads down and showing submission to muslim men.
Originally Posted by Lazul:
Before I was very open to more immigrants coming here, to have a rather "open arms" politic... screw that, I have had enough of people trying to beat me up. I know im being very radical, but I'm sick to death of it.
Im turning more and more into an isolationistic socialist every day. The problem is tho, that most immigrants do behave, they work, pay taxes etc, then there are "the scum of the earth"... who doesnt.
It is a horrible feeling, isn't it? Only a few years ago, I would never have written what I wrote above. I wouldn't even have believed it.
It is a tragedy. For Europe. But also for the first generation immigrants, for (north-African) muslim parents who came here, have lead a decent live of hard work, and now see their sons run rampant. It is a tragedy for that majority of immigrants who just go about their own business and lead perfectly respectable lives.
Don Corleone 23:34 03-30-2006
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
It is a tragedy. For Europe. But also for the first generation immigrants, for (north-African) muslim parents who came here, have lead a decent live of hard work, and now see their sons run rampant. It is a tragedy for that majority of immigrants who just go about their own business and lead perfectly respectable lives.
It's not a tragedy, it's a crime. The immigrants raised these monsters. How can you honestly say they're just there to peacefully co-exist, integrate and improve their lives when they fly their native flags, refuse to speak the local language and encourage their sons to rape/mug/pillage/riot? Why do I say they 'encourage'? If your parents aren't stopping your bad behavior, they're encouraging it.
I say if some kid is out rioting, mugging people, what have you eject the whole family. Send them all back where they came from and bar them from reentry. You'll see these problems evaporate. Immigrants? Yes. Reconquista cultural, as the Mexican gangsters in this country call it? Never...
Papewaio 01:04 03-27-2006
Sweet, lets throw gas on the bonfire so it minimises harm!
Kagemusha 01:22 03-27-2006
I think that the key problem is that the Swedish Immigration policy has been very liberal even on a Scandinavian scale. You just have simply too many immigrants that they wont assimilate in your culture anymore.Also the concentrating the housing of immigrants on certain areas have produced Ghettos. I think the main problem you face now is that these Gangstas you talk about are infact mostly Swedish citizens born in Sweden from immigrant parents.
Is this the case or am i shooting in the dark?
Sjakihata 01:24 03-27-2006
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Also the concentrating the housing of immigrants on certain areas have produced Ghettos. I think the main problem you face now is that these Gangstas you talk about are infact mostly Swedish citizens born in Sweden from immigrant parents.
Is this the case or am i shooting in the dark?
This is completely true for Denmark, it's the so called second (or even third) generation who makes most of the trouble. Often because they are unemployed, alienated and feel useless for society. Social issues.
yesdachi 19:20 03-28-2006
Originally Posted by Radier:
"The Swedes do nothing. They just give us their things. They are sissies."
Perhaps the “Swedes” should stop being “sissies”. You’re not going to be able to quick-fix the years of out of control immigration but there are plenty of ways to protect yourself while encouraging the government to change the immigration laws and increase police presence and social programs in troubled areas.
Even without guns there are commonsense ways to stay safe. Don’t travel alone, take a self defense class, keychain pepper spray, etc. These robbers are bullies and need to be stood up to. Why are the “Swedes” allowing themselves to be such easy marks? I’m ok with guns but if you’re not what’s wrong with a couple shots of pepper spray? Fight back!
Edit: prepare for a bit of a rant.
Additionally, is it just me or is there a recent theme of immigrants harassing nationals and the nationals crying about it throughout Europe lately? I’ve always had this romanticized view of Europeans as being patriots who stand up against evil (probably from too many WWII movies) but all I ever hear about lately are weak politicians and citizens being pushed around by the children of immigrants. And why aren’t these immigrants teaching their kids to behave? GAH!
Blodrast 20:21 03-28-2006
Just to make things a bit clearer, yesdachi, how useful do you think a self-defense class or a can of pepper-spray is against 3 or 4 people (even bare-handed ones, which is not necessarily the case with muggers) ?
Originally Posted by Blodrast:
Just to make things a bit clearer, yesdachi, how useful do you think a self-defense class or a can of pepper-spray is against 3 or 4 people (even bare-handed ones, which is not necessarily the case with muggers) ?
I know this wasn't directed at me, but the muggers are people too. Most will be pretty nervous when they're confronting some stranger and demanding their money. If things don't go well early, they're likely just to take off. It happened to my friend's father, who happens to be a Tae Kwon Do instructor; he attacked one his muggers and the others fled almost instantly.
yesdachi 20:46 03-28-2006
Originally Posted by Blodrast:
Just to make things a bit clearer, yesdachi, how useful do you think a self-defense class or a can of pepper-spray is against 3 or 4 people (even bare-handed ones, which is not necessarily the case with muggers) ?
Spray, run, and scream for help is a lot more appealing than giving up my valuables, getting beaten and then being forced to kiss my attackers feet.
If self defense and pepper spray is a bad idea what would you suggest??
Kagemusha 21:01 03-28-2006
Originally Posted by yesdachi:
Spray, run, and scream for help is a lot more appealing than giving up my valuables, getting beaten and then being forced to kiss my attackers feet.
If self defense and pepper spray is a bad idea what would you suggest??
Im with Yesdachi on this.running is best martial around,but in some situations you just cant get away on a situation and then some legal self protecting weapon is good to have if you are outnumbered.Now this is my personal opinion and i dont recommended it to anybody.But i think in desperate situation is better to stand up for yourself and maybe get a very bad arse whopping,then kiss the ground before those who are trying to take your property and humiliate you.
Originally Posted by
Kagemusha:
.But i think in desperate situation is better to stand up for yourself and maybe get a very bad arse whopping,then kiss the ground before those who are trying to take your property and humiliate you.
i'd much rather be humiliated than get "a very bad arse whopping" but thats just me
its a difficult one, and if there was only 1 or 2 "muggers" i might prefer my chances running, but i still think any "weapon" would only inflame the situation....fighting back is surely the worst thing you can do in those situations....
Sjakihata 21:08 03-28-2006
Originally Posted by yesdachi:
Spray, run, and scream for help is a lot more appealing than giving up my valuables, getting beaten and then being forced to kiss my attackers feet.
How much money do you carry around anyway? I've got MAX 10 bucks on me in notes or coins, im always using my visa card to pay, they can steal that sure, but it wont help them, cos I can ring it reported in no time.
Originally Posted by yesdachi:
I’m ok with guns but if you’re not what’s wrong with a couple shots of pepper spray? Fight back!
but all I ever hear about lately are weak politicians and citizens being pushed around by the children of immigrants. And why aren’t these immigrants teaching their kids to behave? GAH!
As Blodrast says fighting back against 3-4 people is only going to make things worse...
the children of immigrants are often poorer and therefore have to resort to muggery to earn money, this then expands into random violence etc. over time,
EDIT: There are just as many bad non-immagrant parents as bad immagrant parents :(
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