And that defends the British how?Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
I mean since when is an actuall riot a good thing?![]()
And that defends the British how?Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
I mean since when is an actuall riot a good thing?![]()
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
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Originally Posted by Ironside
Hmmm, good question. Might be better directing that one at the French!
Last edited by Jubilation T Cornpone; 03-29-2006 at 13:37.
Oh yeah us Brits are the worst, Satans spawn can't outmatch us. Wonder when Fifa are going to force that into the Bible?![]()
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It's not so much a defence, just a statement that generally, English fans whether at home or abroad are subjected to much harsher retaliation than others - based purely on a past perception that is now largely outdated.And that defends the British how?
I mean since when is an actuall riot a good thing?
In Rome, Middlesbrough fans were attacked by a notorious (as in not a one off) group of known (as in the police know who these people are) bunch of hooligans called the Ultras wielding weapons - including an axe. There were several hospitalisations but fortunately not fatalities. UEFA did not so much as bat an eyelid, as if this incident had not occured. Can you imagine the fallout if this had been English fans?
Point in fact, last night, ONE Middlesbrough fan was causing trouble - so the Swiss police decided to surround the enclosure with riot police wielding firearms. This of course, in spite of the fact that several of the Basel fans were throwing flares into the Middlesbrough section of the crowd.
England are paying for a past legacy when it comes to football fans, in the same way that English people seem to be expected to be forever apologetic for being the greatest empire the world has ever known. The world needs to cut England some slack and learn to forgive in the same way we have forgiven Germany and Japan.
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
Me thinks the bad rep of English football hooligans is neither unjustified nor exageratted.
But, just like when speaking about ethnic minorities or crime rates, one always regrets not having added the usual disclaimer: the behaviour of a few tens of thousands of course doesn't discredit millions of English footy fans, let alone discredit a nation of sixty million.
Even more importantly: English hooliganism does get singled out unfairly. When compared objectively to other European countries, they only averagely misbehave. The Spanish crowds are notorious for their racism, the Italians for their fascist tendencies, the Turks for their aggresiveness. The Germans and Dutch for taking the violence outside of the stadiums, by their making appointments between groups of fans to just battle each other on neutral ground.
Meh, our hooligans will own those German pansies anyday![]()
at least the bad press about our hooligans covers up the bad press about our football team![]()
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