Help! All mi generals are useless morons!

**Dayve** · 03-30-2006, 01:39

Good day to all.

I'm playing as the Romani and the year is 227BC! The last family member that i started the campaign with has just died in the city of Rome, i call him Caius Africanus, the last great Roman... Many lands he conquered for Rome... Taras and Rhegion before he was even 25 years of age, destroyed the Cartheginian threat in Sicily and then went on to conquer all of Sicily, Karali and Alalia... Bononia in the north and Sagestica and Dalmatia in the east... Then he returned to Rome to live out his last years as faction leader, but for some reason the people of the city he had done so much for were unhappy with him being governor of their city... He died at 58. ...Or was it 62?

I call him the last of the great Romans (the others being the other family members i started with) for the following reason: Every family member i have adopted/has been born after those first starting family members is an imbecile! All have turned out to be good governors but terrible battlefield commanders... I'm creeping towards the first set of reforms at the moment and when i get those i will be strong enough to begin conquering once more, as most of the other factions around me are fielding superior troops and also superior generals... Now my last good general is gone my armies are fit only for the defence of the lands he has conquered. My current young generals are all cowards or unsuited to battle and the like... A glimmer of hope when i adopted a sharp/charismatic/vigorous 16 year old with the characteristics of a possible future hero and faction leader... I promptly gave him an army and sent him into the barbarian lands to the north for some training, but he was killed by a javelin half way through his first battle...

So much for the hero.

Another reason i'm having this trouble is because my empire, since i conquered Dalmatia (which has a ton of mines and is an awesome city for trading and income) i've become VERY rich... And all my generals become wealthy, conoseurs(SP badly wrong), lovers of beauty and generally bad battlefield commanders... Also i'm not at war with anybody at all right now apart from rebels due to my armed forces being pretty much obsolete compared to my surrounding neighbours (especially the Epirotes who are fielding really scary looking troops, thank the gods i haven't had to fight them yet) so i've just been hoarding my troops up along borders and letting all my family members be governors...

What can i do to rectify this problem in time for the polybian(is that right?) reforms? Once those hit i plan on expanding east along the rich costal cities of the Greek peninsula and west into Gaul.

By the way i'm still loving the mod, best mod for RTW hands down, RTR just doesn't even come close and its future builds will not either...

**Jarardo** · 03-30-2006, 04:48

Umm, well if you dont have "enough" generals, the game will offer you more for addoption. I think if you have a very low number of them, you'll get a lot of offers.

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So if some of your generals dissapear into the gealic wilderness, things might go better for Rome?

**hsimoorb** · 03-30-2006, 04:57

I have a similar problem. An entire generation of my nobiles became usless generals, and exemplary administrators. Also nearly half became blasphemous and morose so that thier presense on the bttlefield was counterproductive. I have had only one good general yet, Vibius Secundus Africanus. Concured so. italy, scicily, corsica, sardinia, spain, and africa, and spent 20 year fighting the Ptolemies. He dies as a 3 star general, after gaining the "seen the elephant" trait sometime in his 30s. No I have 43 family members and not a single command star.

**Jarardo** · 03-30-2006, 07:15

I haven't played a whole Roman campaign yet, but as I understand it, its all adoption based. Maybe you should be more discriminating when accepting members into the family? I'm pretty sure the game will start to throw a lot of adoption canidates if you have a small family member-to empire size ratio.

But I could be wrong, in which case...oh hell, who are we kidding, when have I ever been wrong?

**Malrubius** · 03-30-2006, 07:22

Originally Posted by Jarardo

I haven't played a whole Roman campaign yet, but as I understand it, its all adoption based. Maybe you should be more discriminating when accepting members into the family? I'm pretty sure the game will start to throw a lot of adoption canidates if you have a small family member-to empire size ratio.

But I could be wrong, in which case...oh hell, who are we kidding, when have I ever been wrong?

Yeah, that's good advice. If the game is trying to give you a sorry adoptee, and you can live without him, you can wait a turn or two and you'll probably get another offer. It's based on a ratio that the game tries to maintain: about 1 general for every 2 provinces.

**Avicenna** · 03-30-2006, 09:27

Interesting... in my RTR game (waiting for the 1.0 EB version to come out before playing it) almost half of my adopted and married characters start off with 3 stars (ie are good generals). Hardly a good governor anywhere.

**Malrubius** · 03-30-2006, 14:00

Don't worry; I'm to nerf the Management scrolls a bit as well, and am still tweaking the command stars advancement (getting 2-3 shouldn't be impossible).

**Chester** · 03-30-2006, 19:58

I've never got a triumph todate.

Last night, I fougth 5 back to back attacks from the Sweboz. The last two attacks had me favored at 4:5. The enemy had the advantage, I got two heroic victories and 3 clear victories. I started with 2500 troops and by the end of the 5th battle I had about 200. The AI hit be 5 times staight, battle after battle. It was one of the most intense games of RTW that I've ever played.

And guess what, still no TRIUMPH! I was seeing elephants and was already long ago a vanquisher of Germania.

My general will die of old age soon, just like my other general who came close to winning an Afircan Triumph, but died of old age prior to recieving his due credit.

Both Generals fought in over 25 battles, large ones.

Amazingly enough, he only had 3 command stars, regardless of the 5 back to backs, and a life time of killing Germans. I just can't make it happen.

**Olaf The Great** · 04-03-2006, 19:21

Originally Posted by Dayve

Good day to all.

I'm playing as the Romani and the year is 227BC! The last family member that i started the campaign with has just died in the city of Rome, i call him Caius Africanus, the last great Roman... Many lands he conquered for Rome... Taras and Rhegion before he was even 25 years of age, destroyed the Cartheginian threat in Sicily and then went on to conquer all of Sicily, Karali and Alalia... Bononia in the north and Sagestica and Dalmatia in the east... Then he returned to Rome to live out his last years as faction leader, but for some reason the people of the city he had done so much for were unhappy with him being governor of their city... He died at 58. ...Or was it 62?

I call him the last of the great Romans (the others being the other family members i started with) for the following reason: Every family member i have adopted/has been born after those first starting family members is an imbecile! All have turned out to be good governors but terrible battlefield commanders... I'm creeping towards the first set of reforms at the moment and when i get those i will be strong enough to begin conquering once more, as most of the other factions around me are fielding superior troops and also superior generals... Now my last good general is gone my armies are fit only for the defence of the lands he has conquered. My current young generals are all cowards or unsuited to battle and the like... A glimmer of hope when i adopted a sharp/charismatic/vigorous 16 year old with the characteristics of a possible future hero and faction leader... I promptly gave him an army and sent him into the barbarian lands to the north for some training, but he was killed by a javelin half way through his first battle...

So much for the hero.

Another reason i'm having this trouble is because my empire, since i conquered Dalmatia (which has a ton of mines and is an awesome city for trading and income) i've become VERY rich... And all my generals become wealthy, conoseurs(SP badly wrong), lovers of beauty and generally bad battlefield commanders... Also i'm not at war with anybody at all right now apart from rebels due to my armed forces being pretty much obsolete compared to my surrounding neighbours (especially the Epirotes who are fielding really scary looking troops, thank the gods i haven't had to fight them yet) so i've just been hoarding my troops up along borders and letting all my family members be governors...

What can i do to rectify this problem in time for the polybian(is that right?) reforms? Once those hit i plan on expanding east along the rich costal cities of the Greek peninsula and west into Gaul.

By the way i'm still loving the mod, best mod for RTW hands down, RTR just doesn't even come close and its future builds will not either...

1-Kill off the really bad ones,or send them to a academy to kill off the bad traits.
2-Bribe enemy generals and armies,to get rid of the extra money AND to get good generals from this point.(Including the bribed generl).

**Dayve** · 04-03-2006, 21:14

The problem is mostly sorted out now. It's 199BC and i have 4 competent legion commanders. My faction leader and faction heir, each with 2 command stars who are both campaigning in Greece. Another one sitting in Sagestica who has 1 comand star waiting for a family member to become available to govern the city, and 1 garrisoned in a fort along my northern border with the barbarians with a full legion.

I've sorted out the huge numbers of money problem by lowering taxes and giving all my cities daily games... If i need more i just raise taxes, if it gets to much i lower them again. Still a lot of my field generals have to be stripped of their legions because they become 'lovers of beauty'... This has happened twice now but i'm not letting my balance go above 50k so this should keep it sorted out.