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    Quote Originally Posted by Glaucus
    First things first: I read elsewere in this forum that the Marius Reforms can happen anytime after an Imperial Palace has been built in the Italian Peninsula. Does this include settlements such as patavium or mediolanum? what about Messana? and say I capture carthage and there is one there, does that count? any thoughts on this topic much appreciated
    It's been long since I've played R:TW, so forgive me if any mistakes are made. Carthage and Messana, I believe, doesn't count, while Patavium and Mediolanium should--or at least I remembered such...

    Sorry I couldn't be more decisive. Memory slips.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glaucus
    Second things second: The "A Chance for Power" thing that tells you you can attack Rome and the other Romans. If I choose not to attack when it says I can will it ever come again? And will other Roman factions ever turn against the senate before the player? I have never seen this happen, but I've only played as rome twice thus far.
    Once you get the message, it means you can attack them anytime from now on. It doesn't matter if you wait a hundred years--but most likely the Senate would provoke the war themselves (by trying to wipe out your family with suicide orders) long before.

    It is rare, but possible, that other Roman factions would start the Civil War.

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    Don't quote me on this, but I think the following settlements can trigger Marius:

    Rome (obviously)
    Patavium
    Mediolanium
    Segesta (though it'll never happen with that one)
    Arretium
    Arminium
    Capua
    Tarentum
    Croton
    Messana
    Syracuse
    Lilybaeum

    (the last three may not, but I have a gut feeling that they can as well)

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    The "A Chance for Power" message isn't a one-time thing. It just lets you know that whenever you start the Civil War the people will back you up. It's basically the "go ahead" sign, but whether you choose to wait is up to you.

    And finally, I imagine that if you wait long enough without doing anything some faction will eventually annoy the Senate enough to start it but it's highly unlikely as most players lose patience.
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    Default Re: "A Chance for Power"

    I don't think Rome can trigger it, because Rome starts out with the Imperial Palace anyway. Also, even if Segesta, Patavium or Melodanium can, they all probably have too little in the way of population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius
    I don't think Rome can trigger it, because Rome starts out with the Imperial Palace anyway. Also, even if Segesta, Patavium or Melodanium can, they all probably have too little in the way of population.
    You may be right about Rome, but I disagree on Patavium's potential. If you occupy the city and leave a governor in, it grows fast enough to be the first huge city. In my most recent Julii campaign, Patavium triggered Marius for me.
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    but most likely the Senate would provoke the war themselves (by trying to wipe out your family with suicide orders) long before.
    Just how do you achieve that? I´ve tried - repeatedly! - with all Roman factions to leave the Senate alone until they start harrassing me, which never, ever, not once has happened so far. I usually have fifty-something provinces (so a civil war would be short), almost all non-Roman factions are vanished and my popularity with the plebs is sky-high, still my Senate rating is somewhere at level three and won´t go lower. The "Chance to Power" message I´ve already got at around thirty provinces, it would be nice if the Civil War started at about the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    Don't quote me on this, but I think the following settlements can trigger Marius:

    Rome (obviously)
    Patavium
    Mediolanium
    Segesta (though it'll never happen with that one)
    Arretium
    Arminium
    Capua
    Tarentum
    Croton
    Messana
    Syracuse
    Lilybaeum
    .
    Probably the slowest growing province on the campaign map.
    Last edited by Garvanko; 03-31-2006 at 08:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvanko
    Probably the slowest growing province on the campaign map.
    Thats why I always recruit massive amounts of peasants from like patavium or any other settlements that are growing to fast and disband them all in segesta. Not only will it force segesta to upgrade but it helps with squalor in the larger settlements as well.

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    well, in my Scpii campaign, I think carthage triggered it, unless another faction built an Imperial Palace the exact same turn or before. And I THINK, probaby wrong, that when I got the game and played as Julii, I ignored the "Chance for Power" thing when it came due to my armies being away (and my wanting to be a senatorial brown noser), so I moved them in, but by then it wouldn't let me attack the other Romans. Again, I think that is what happened, maybe it was a weird bug or something to spice up a medium campaign level.
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    Default Re: "A Chance for Power"

    Are you patched up to date? Because if you're at version 1.0 or 1.1 than any Imperial Palace anywhere will do. But if you're at 1.2 or above, then it's Italy only. It would definitely explain a lot if you weren't patched.

    And I'm not sure what to make of it not letting you attack when you already got the message. As long as you keep conquering the game should let you start the war.


    Somewhat off topic, but I love it how Garvanko quotes my "don't quote me on this" bit.
    Last edited by GeneralHankerchief; 04-01-2006 at 03:13.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
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    Heh. Must have missed that completely, General H.

    On Segesta.. Its almost always the first province to be taken when playing Julii, yet in my just concluded campaign, it got an Imperial Palace sometime around 150BC - over 100 years later.

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