The Davinci Code

[Enoch]

The gnosis is often hidden in provocative texts; as in mine.
A famous sequence of numbers will reveal the message.

[Brenus]

Where is Joseph’s… ? Who wrote the Gospels? How is it possible that some are so similar and some show huge discrepancies? Did John, Matthew and others ever existed?

[Sigurd]

The gnosis is often hidden in provocative texts; as in mine.
A famous sequence of numbers will reveal the message.

In light of this thread I suspect you encoded a message using the fibonacci numbers (1,1,2,3,5,8,13 etc...) and I suspect you put the words in Italic to further help us on our way.
Let’s see…

A Ron’s rod. When is this crap going to end? So much to read and this is what you can show? Of all the good literature out there, the mould infested piece of, where is toilet paper when you need some, brownish refuse with clear reference to someone’s last name. To drag the beautiful Magdalen’s reputation as a devoted disciple down and insinuate marriage and sexual behaviour with the GOD of all mankind, shows gross disrespect for Christianity and its devoted members. To break healed wounds, to reopen the tomb of Him that lies not there just to say there are old bones there, the God was merely a man who died; is scorn in a believer’s ears. This just shows how the angel of sin rules this world and gives wicked men power and riches. Soon there will be a reckoning, the righteous is the ones that will inherit this world not the wicked.

Aaron’s rod is going to show where Magdalene’s tomb is

Am I correct?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

From 14 to 29 Christs life is unrecorded, he could have done anything in that time such as marry and have children. Surely common sense would say so.

[hoom]

I've read The Templar Revelation, a small part of the start of The Davinci code before getting bored & am currently struggling through The Holy Blood & the Holy Grail.
This kinda leaves me with a wierd outlook on it I think.

So far The Templar Revelation has been the most interesting.
It gets lost for a long time in the middle struggling to try to link the Templars with all the later phonies trying to claim direct descent from them & thus prove that the Priory of Scion actually exists & is legit.

But it has some very interesting stuff about early christianity that makes a lot of sense to me of things that had previously been entirely perplexing.
Particularly the strange tendency of catholics to effectively worship Mary which always seemed to be idolatry to me.

There seem to be a few main claims (though they do not actually state them as a clear theory):
The Priory of Sion is really old & has legitimate direct lineage to at least the Templars. (bollocks)
John the Baptist was a missionary for the cult of Isis & Jesus was his junior/apprentice.
Jesus went rogue in Jerusalem, played out the egyptian godhood marriage, death & resurrection thang with his priestess Magdalene & most of his teachings were actually out of the Isis cult rather than 'jewish done right like god wanted'.
Magdalene went to Southern France afterwards, bringing some treasure/relic with her.
The locals took to the teachings of Magdalene & Templars, Rosicrucians, Cathars & various other eastern nominally Christian groups continued the tradition but hid it behind somewhat odd but externally christian practice. This seems to include worship of the goddess rather than god/jesus & a reverence for John the Baptist as legit over Jesus the fake/rogue usurper.

[Brenus]

“Particularly the strange tendency of catholics to effectively worship Mary which always seemed to be idolatry to me”. Funny you say that because in France, the Cult of Marie was launch massively in the 19th Century, but not by the Church but by Napoleon the Third. Reason: Women were hardliners during the past revolutions in France (1789, 1830 and 1848). So Napoleon wanted to emphasised the Mother in Mary, and to convinced women to stay indoor and stopping to built barricades and throwing stones to the soldiers… So, we don’t speak of Religion but politic, even it is often mixed.

I agree with some people here. I still don’t understand what the author wanted to say or to demonstrate

[Aenlic]

Remember when reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail that the modern Priory of Sion was an elaborate hoax concocted by Pierre Plantard with the help of Gerard de Sede and Philippe de Cherisey. All of them, at one time or another admitted that the Dossiers Secrets which make up most of the source for the modern Priory were planted by them in the Bibliotheque Nationale of Paris in the late 1960's as part of the hoax. One of the authors of the book, Henry Lincoln (real name Henry Soskin, an actor) has also admitted to knowing all of this prior to writing the book.

That said, much of the rest of the book is very interesting, as long as you eliminate anything having to do with Plantard, the dossiers secrets and the modern Prioy of Sion. There is certainly enough mystery to go around.

How did a handful of knights supposedly dedicated to protecting pilgrims on the road to Jerusalem become powerful enough to have their headquarters on the grounds of the destroyed Temple of Solomon when other, larger and older, knightly military organizations existed? How did that same handful of knights transform themselves into the most powerful organization in all of Europe - the Templars? If you can cut through all of the BS, that alone is an incredible story.

Why is Rosslyn Chapel so chock full of obvious esoteric symbolism? What is the connection between the Freemasons and the Templars, if any? After all, it is certainly true that the papal decree dissolving and outlawing the Templars was never promulgated in Scotland. The Templars were only persecuted in France, for the most part. At the time, the Templars were powerful throughout Europe. The arrest and persecution of those Templars in France certainly couldn't have included all or even most of the Templars. Where did they go?

The cult of the Magdalene has a lot of interesting history. So does the Languedoc region of France. The people there certainly believe that the Magdalene came ashore there. It ties in interestingly with the Nag Hammadi manuscripts of the Gnostics. The so-called Gospel of Mary presents some interesting considerations regarding Mary. How does that change interpretations of her possible coming to France? What is the relation between the Gnostics and Mary, between Mary and the later advent of the Cathars in the Languedoc? Remember, at the time of the Cathars, the Gnostic manuscripts of Nag Hammadi were utterly unknown.

As far as Jesus and Mary being married. It certainly seems credible. Even those who take the Gospels as literal truth could see that if they applied their literal truth to ALL of the Gospels, and not just bits and pieces. If Jesus was, in fact, subject to Jewish law as claimed in the Gospels, then he was required, as a rabbi, to marry. Some early Christians, before Clement of Alexandria and Justin Martyr, certainly believed that Jesus was married. Hippolytus and Origen both write about the Song of Solomon being a prophecy of Jesus' marriage to Mary.

Lots of interesting stuff to investigate. Just be sure to toss out the modern Priory of Sion crap invented by Plantard, de Sede and de Cherisey. Sadly, it is that stuff which provides fuel for the "true believers" to toss out all of the good facts with the bad.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Rosslyn Chapel is indeed a strange place and was extrememly interesting but it saddened and annoyed me to see all of these sad american tourists there ruining the atmosphere and buying books in the scores. Still the symbolism there is very unique and certainly worth seeing

[Rosacrux redux]

Having just finished writing a monography about the Templars, I think I'll try and answer those questions Aenlic asked... I've read 11 (!) books on the subject, ranging from really serious and thorough scientific work to sensationalist crap, so I am familiar with most stuff

How did a handful of knights supposedly dedicated to protecting pilgrims on the road to Jerusalem become powerful enough to have their headquarters on the grounds of the destroyed Temple of Solomon when other, larger and older, knightly military organizations existed?

The Templars were the first military order. The hospitalers have formed around 1100-2 but they did not become a military order until the mid 30s (their militarization was profoundly influenced by the Templars - those started off as a military order)

How did that same handful of knights transform themselves into the most powerful organization in all of Europe - the Templars? If you can cut through all of the BS, that alone is an incredible story.

That "handful of knights" included a nephew (Andre de Mondbard) and a very good friend and patron (Hughes Count of Champaigne) of Saint Bernard, the most influental and powerful figure of the catholic church in the 1100s. Also, they got full support by the kingdom of Jerusalm for extremely obvious reasons. The rise of the Templars bears no mystery at all. They were a force of history, in a much needed time. The Cistercians started even more humbly and became even more rich, powerful and influental. Why does nobody connect them with grails and other similar crap?

Why is Rosslyn Chapel so chock full of obvious esoteric symbolism?

the RC was build two centuries after the dissolvment of the Templars, by the forefather of all Masons. He did want to establish a connection with the Templars, and so he proceeded to do so.

What is the connection between the Freemasons and the Templars, if any?

None at all. The masons have always tried to establish a long tradition for themselves, just to show that "they were always there". So they invented (see also above) the whole connection with the Templars, based on rather shaky ground. Connecting with the templars allowed them to connect with the supposed tradition of the (rather imaginary, at least in the context of the masons) masons of the temple of Solomon and the Egyptian masons of the pyramids before them. A huge joke, I might say, only too many people find it to hold water...

After all, it is certainly true that the papal decree dissolving and outlawing the Templars was never promulgated in Scotland. The Templars were only persecuted in France, for the most part. At the time, the Templars were powerful throughout Europe. The arrest and persecution of those Templars in France certainly couldn't have included all or even most of the Templars. Where did they go?

The templars were persecuted throughout Europe, not only France. We have archives and documents from Cyprus to Portugal and from Sicily to England. They (a few of them) were burnt only in France, that is true, but all European templars save a handful here and there were arrested or came later willingly to throw themselves at the mercy of the church. Like 95% didn't even serve a day in prison. And they even got some really fat pensions afterwards, when De Molay was ashes, Philip, Clement and the prelates had their greedy hands on the Templar possesions and the whole fuss was history. There are plentiful accounts on former templars and their whereabouts after the dissolution of the order. Most faired typical lives, nothing extravagant, some returned to their houses, some got a fat enough pension to make a new fortune, some got hired by Muslims (!!!) some joined the Hospitalers, some entered monasteries throughout Europe. Nothing supporting the wild, imaginative Templar resettlement to Scotland and - even more imaginative - the "new world".

I am not going to comment on the M. Magdalene story. There are certain aspects of the story that are true, but most of it is just the vivid imagination of some people who absolutely have to invent some sort of matriarchy where it never existed. Oh, whatever. Laguedoc is an interesting story as well, but those throwing in the Cathars should really read the history of the Cathars and their connection with the Balkan (mostly Bulgarian) Bogomils.
Also there are dozens of "secret gospels" and less than a handful mention aspects of the story of magdalene.

[AntiochusIII]

I agree with some people here. I still don’t understand what the author wanted to say or to demonstrate

Controversy = money. Dan Brown is a career genre writer, this is his job; even I cannot deny that the Da Vinci Code is his masterpiece, not literary but commercially. His appeals to controversy and religion is simply...impressive. The outrage provoked (from the dumbasses of society), the interests that followed the outrage, the flow of sales that followed the interests, the expanding "merchandise" including "refuting" books and the movie--though of course the "refutations" aren't his books. The book itself, like I said, is just an ordinary thriller. Nothing particularly special--not bad, in fact, I enjoyed it a little before all the hype gets a little to saturated.

In other words, I honestly doubt Mr. Brown buy the crap about Jesus and Da Vinci and Newton and all that, and that he tries to say something to Christians in particular. Or maybe he does, but his message got a lil' skewed; who knows? Though it is nice to know that his work sparks interest in actual fact-finding in many people to verify his ludicrously out-of-the-world plot tool.

By the way, what's with all the fascination about the Templars? What's so spectacular about a bunch of knights gathered together when they were in desperate need (after the First Crusade) and got really rich by clever experimentation until the King of France got greedy about them, anyway, that so many are captured in imagination with them? You'd think they're the King Arthurs considering all the interests and the conspiracy theories about them...

[Watchman]

I'd guess the original locale of their headquarters to be one. Another would be that I seem to recall reading them actually traipsing around the Middle East a whole lot (when the diplomatic situation allowed anyway) looking after assorted biblical esoterica. One could be their diplomatic relations to the Assasins (who are apparently a household name in assorted "ancient conspiracy" effigies; not that all the Crusader Kingdoms didn't have some sort of working relationship with the sect, mind you...).

But personally I'm half willing to guess it's just that they have a particularly cool-sounding name, and met such a dramatic end. The other major Orders petered out in such banal fashions as to be a real let-down for anyone looking for drama.

[Enoch]

Aaron’s rod is going to show where Magdalene’s tomb is

Am I correct?

You are...

I was just having a little fun.