Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: A messy can of worms to open

  1. #1
    Dyslexic agnostic insomniac Senior Member Goofball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Victoria, British Columbia
    Posts
    4,211

    Default A messy can of worms to open

    But what the heck, let's dump 'em out and roll around in them for a little while.

    The linked article deals with some comments made about media accountability by one of Canada's newly elected Conservative Party members of parliament.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Tory MP suggests jailing bad journalists


    Canadian Press

    Vernon, B.C. — A backbench Conservative MP, blasting the media for its testy relationship with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has suggested reporters who write distorted articles be jailed.
    In a brief column sent to several newspapers in his Okanagan-Shuswap riding, Colin Mayes said that might help the public “get accurate and true information.”
    Mr. Mayes seemed to suggesting in his column that the media be covered by something like the Conservative government's proposed Federal Accountability Act, which would prosecute elected officials and senior public servants who break the public trust.
    aPs="boxR";var boxRAC = fnTdo('a'+'ai',300,250,ai,'j',nc);
    “Maybe it is time that we hauled off in handcuffs reporters that fabricate stories, or twist information and even falsely accuse citizens,” he writes.
    The column was e-mailed Thursday to nine small Okanagan papers, as well as the Vernon Daily Courier, by Wayne McGrath, Mr. Mayes's executive assistant.
    The Courier recently decided not to publish the MP's regular columns.
    On Wednesday, David Wylie, the paper's managing editor, published an editorial saying Mr. Harper's media policies were “mimicking the ploys of an authoritarian state ...”
    Mr. Harper has restricted access to ministers after cabinet meetings and barred reporters from observing photo opportunities.
    Ministers are also required to restrict their public comments to the government's five key priorities and clear contacts with the media through the Prime Minister's office.
    Mr. Mayes, a businessman and former mayor of Dawson City, Yukon and Salmon Arm, B.C., easily won the solidly Tory riding in the Jan. 23 election, replacing the retiring Darryl Stinson.
    In his column, he writes that he was “perturbed” by the media's reaction to Mr. Harper's attitude to reporters.
    “The media has blatantly painted a picture that our government is not open and transparent,” he writes. “We were elected just two months ago to run the affairs of the country for the people, not to accommodate the media.”
    Along with business people, politicians and public servants, the media also has the public trust, he writes.
    While not all media are bad, the Tory backbencher says, “boy, would the public get accurate and true information if a few reporters were hauled away to jail!”
    But it will never happen “because the media would cry ‘censorship' and ‘authoritarian state' ... but the truth is we need ethical leadership from the media too.”
    Mr. Mayes could not be reached for comment Thursday evening.
    Mr. Wylie said he thought Mr. Mayes's comments were “a little over the top.
    “If members of his government are trying not to paint themselves as extremists or fanatics, this is not the way to go about doing it.”


    So, what do you folks think? If it can be proved that a member of the media willfully and purposely lied or distorted facts, should they be criminally charged?
    "What, have Canadians run out of guns to steal from other Canadians and now need to piss all over our glee?"

    - TSM

  2. #2
    Clan Clan InsaneApache's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Grand Duchy of Yorkshire
    Posts
    8,636

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Well that's it for the Sun, News of the World and the Daily Mail then.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

  3. #3
    RIP Tosa, my trolling end now Senior Member Devastatin Dave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    7,552

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Looks like censoreship to me. Very dangerous precedence. Now, i do believe that the media has a responsibility to report actual news and not make up news or try to "cause" news, so they should atleast be open to lawsuits. But jailing the media, deep down I'd love it, but even i know its wrong.
    RIP Tosa

  4. #4
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    If it can be proven that the media outlet knew that a story was innaccurate and ran it anyway, I wouldn't have problems issuing penalties (fines... jail time seems a bit harsh).

    But that would be a pretty damned hard thing to prove. If they just ran a story that happened to be inaccurate, not even a shread of truth to it, unless you can prove they knew it ahead of time, there shouldn't be any penalties.

    Though, much like the AMA (American Medical Association), there seems to be a wall of silence in the media about criticizing each other for bad journalism. I would have REALLY liked to see Tom Brokaw come out and say "You know what, Dan Rather should have known better. He screwed up, and he made us all look bad". But nope. They all circled the wagons and said "you can't hold us to those standards anymore". Give me a freakin break.
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  5. #5
    Yesdachi swallowed by Jaguar! Member yesdachi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    LA, CA, USA
    Posts
    2,454

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Any journalist who purposely reposts falsehoods, lies and distorts facts should definitely be criminally charges. Keyword: Purposely.

    The media is very powerful and one wrong comment can have serious consequences that no “retraction” could repair. That said accidents happen and should be excused but if they lie on purpose, let them do some in-depth prison research for their next story.
    Peace in Europe will never stay, because I play Medieval II Total War every day. ~YesDachi

  6. #6
    RIP Tosa, my trolling end now Senior Member Devastatin Dave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    7,552

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    RIP Tosa

  7. #7
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Good one Dave!!!

    Especially in light of the fact that Goofy authored one of the two threads specifically mentioned in Soly's warning!

    Sorry Goof, you've got the same flaw I do... try too hard to be clever & funny when you're being controversial.
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  8. #8
    Mystic Bard Member Soulforged's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Another Skald
    Posts
    2,138

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    So, what do you folks think? If it can be proved that a member of the media willfully and purposely lied or distorted facts, should they be criminally charged?
    There's no need for that, there's civil charges for doing such things. Eventually it might turn into an obligation to pay fines. I assume that you don't mean jail, right?
    Born On The Flames

  9. #9

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    But what the heck, let's dump 'em out and roll around in them for a little while.

    The linked article deals with some comments made about media accountability by one of Canada's newly elected Conservative Party members of parliament.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Tory MP suggests jailing bad journalists


    Canadian Press

    Vernon, B.C. — A backbench Conservative MP, blasting the media for its testy relationship with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has suggested reporters who write distorted articles be jailed.
    In a brief column sent to several newspapers in his Okanagan-Shuswap riding, Colin Mayes said that might help the public “get accurate and true information.”
    Mr. Mayes seemed to suggesting in his column that the media be covered by something like the Conservative government's proposed Federal Accountability Act, which would prosecute elected officials and senior public servants who break the public trust.
    aPs="boxR";var boxRAC = fnTdo('a'+'ai',300,250,ai,'j',nc);
    “Maybe it is time that we hauled off in handcuffs reporters that fabricate stories, or twist information and even falsely accuse citizens,” he writes.
    The column was e-mailed Thursday to nine small Okanagan papers, as well as the Vernon Daily Courier, by Wayne McGrath, Mr. Mayes's executive assistant.
    The Courier recently decided not to publish the MP's regular columns.
    On Wednesday, David Wylie, the paper's managing editor, published an editorial saying Mr. Harper's media policies were “mimicking the ploys of an authoritarian state ...”
    Mr. Harper has restricted access to ministers after cabinet meetings and barred reporters from observing photo opportunities.
    Ministers are also required to restrict their public comments to the government's five key priorities and clear contacts with the media through the Prime Minister's office.
    Mr. Mayes, a businessman and former mayor of Dawson City, Yukon and Salmon Arm, B.C., easily won the solidly Tory riding in the Jan. 23 election, replacing the retiring Darryl Stinson.
    In his column, he writes that he was “perturbed” by the media's reaction to Mr. Harper's attitude to reporters.
    “The media has blatantly painted a picture that our government is not open and transparent,” he writes. “We were elected just two months ago to run the affairs of the country for the people, not to accommodate the media.”
    Along with business people, politicians and public servants, the media also has the public trust, he writes.
    While not all media are bad, the Tory backbencher says, “boy, would the public get accurate and true information if a few reporters were hauled away to jail!”
    But it will never happen “because the media would cry ‘censorship' and ‘authoritarian state' ... but the truth is we need ethical leadership from the media too.”
    Mr. Mayes could not be reached for comment Thursday evening.
    Mr. Wylie said he thought Mr. Mayes's comments were “a little over the top.
    “If members of his government are trying not to paint themselves as extremists or fanatics, this is not the way to go about doing it.”


    So, what do you folks think? If it can be proved that a member of the media willfully and purposely lied or distorted facts, should they be criminally charged?
    After watching the Rick Mercer Report this week, where I discovered that Harper banned the media from waiting outside the cabinet room, this seems kind of disconcerting.

  10. #10
    karoshi Senior Member solypsist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    New York New York
    Posts
    9,020

    Default Re: A messy can of worms to open

    try again with an accurate subject title, please.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO