Quote Originally Posted by Redleg
Extremists regardless of thier postion on the political spectrum are best ignored - or has several others in this thread of shown, that their position is based upon their own ignorance and fear. Others with far more knowledge of the Middle-East and Islam have shown how ignorant and off-base your initial premise is, and therefor its time to just ignore it. The premise of this thread is very telling given the nature of the term Kafir that is in your name as it relates to Islam.

However you should of stopped right there with your comments.

Disagreement does not mean that one is raising their hand spouting Nazi doctrine, nor does ignoring an arguement mean anything other then I find your arguement not worthy of discussion.

Bring an arguement that is worthy of discussion. One that does not resort in your normal desire to call other of opposing views Nazi's or facists, like before when you called my ancestor's facists that, a classic blunder again on your part. It seems that once again you have made yourself your own worse enemy.

Your showing yourself to be a extremist, extremists should be ingored and ridiculed for what they are, ignorant knuckleheads.

Edit: because I just could not resist something that I stumbled across in my readings and forgotten until now that is relative to the nature of this thread. It actually explains a lot about how incorrect the nature of your premise and comments truely are in this thread, and why you often resort to triades, insults, and rants in your attempts at communicating with the rest of us.

OK, first, KAFIR is an Arabic insult flung at those whom have not been enlightened by Muhamad (sp) and found Allah to be the one true god. It means infidel - or Christian, Jew, Buddhist, etc. So, I'm not exactly sure what the point here was Red - unless it was to somehow signify my conformance to Islam? Or, was it to demonstrate a (my) non-existent disdain for a culture that most westerners refuse to understand - try to remember I spent 6 years in the late 70's and early 80's studying and writing papers on Middle-East affairs. Regardless, I chose the name Kafir not to be offensive (as some names connote), but ....... well, why not? Redleg, I suppose is just a bird? Or is it reference to the "Redlegs" of Civil War attrocities - I mean the Cincinnati Reds shortened their name to be pollitically correct correct back in the 60's. Regardless, what is in a name?

You keep referring to your family, and my calling them Nazis ... when in fact I queried if they were racists - after you commented that one of your ancestors was a founder of the KKK, or a leader in it or some such. It really is getting old though that every time I am accused of being an extremist, or knucklehead, wrong-think, or that my arguements are not worthy of discussion.

On this subject, "the problem with islam", I opened discussion to why islam is the way it is. And, on why so many good people of islamic faith have gone to the darker side of it - I don't believe I have accused the religion of being subversive (as have some) or proclaimed that Jesus is the one true god (or is that Jehova, the name that cannot be spoken, etc?).

Most that have actually had something to say on topic have given me a variation of approaches, perceptions, histories, and analogies that have been somewhat enlightening. Though I do not find all of them as well thoughtout as others, all have been atleast honest. Versus personal attacks against me, or a religion some refuse to even perceive as not being one of terrorism. As one put it, Islam has been hi-jacked just as other religions have to support political beliefs - and/or perceived threats (as another mentioned - a very good one actually, hadn't given much thought to that premise).

Railing against me, calling me an extremist, accusing me of insulting ancestors .... well, what ever rings your bell. Versus actually commenting on topic, or hurling insults, or insinuations that I won't be satisfied 'til we (US)collapse to the level of poverty the majority of Muslims live in. Thing is, seems (to me) there are just as many religious extremists in the Christian community as there are in the Islamic one. It is simply a matter of perception.