The problem with Islam

[Faust|]

I would say that almost all, if not all, cases of radicalism arise as a reaction of individuals to PERCEIVED threats, domestic, foreign, or both. That's the source, and viewed in this light watchman's posts and KC's posts are not altogether inconsistent. So a good question pertaining to the issue of this thread would be, are Islam's radicals justified in their stance? I would think attempts to answer would take you deep into the philosophical areas of various subjects.

"I would say that almost all, if not all, cases of radicalism arise as a reaction of individuals to perceived threats, domestic, foreign, or both." This is why I will never be a nationalist... way TOO reactionary. This statement also helps explain why not all Muslims are radicals... the key is "perceived threats".

[Fragony]

The problem with islam is islam. If it is the same in every muslim state, and if it is the same in every western country where they 'enrich' the culture then they must be the problem.

Edited by Ser Clegane: I would appreciate if people spend a minute thinking before posting every offensive thought that happens to wander through their mind

[PanzerJaeger]

The muslim threat is minimal compared to the danger posed by seemingly sane Westerners such as KC, who believe such trash. They will not be satisfied until the Western World is just as horrible as the islamic world.

This fifth column in our midst does far more hurt western progression and prosperity than their terrorist allies.

[rory_20_uk]

PJ, please tell me you're not allowed to vote...

[Fragony]

The muslim threat is minimal compared to the danger posed by seemingly sane Westerners such as KC, who believe such trash. They will not be satisfied until the Western World is just as horrible as the islamic world.

This fifth column in our midst does far more hurt western progression and prosperity than their terrorist allies.

Haven't seen you for a while mia muca, glad to see you are still making sense

[Redleg]

The muslim threat is minimal compared to the danger posed by seemingly sane Westerners such as KC, who believe such trash. They will not be satisfied until the Western World is just as horrible as the islamic world.

This fifth column in our midst does far more hurt western progression and prosperity than their terrorist allies.

I hope you do realize the KafirChobee writes such material (and cuts and pastes from certain sites) the type of subject matter that he does to provoke such a response from those with political idealoge opinions opposite from his own.

If you would allow his rants to go unanswered or better yet show where his points are mote, ridiculous or so far off base as several others have done in this particlure thread - you points would be better served.

[Faust|]

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[KafirChobee]

I hope you do realize the KafirChobee writes such material (and cuts and pastes from certain sites) the type of subject matter that he does to provoke such a response from those with political idealoge opinions opposite from his own.

If you would allow his rants to go unanswered or better yet show where his points are mote, ridiculous or so far off base as several others have done in this particlure thread - you points would be better served.

Wellllllll, I certainly do attempt to provoke a response to my queries - that is true. And, i am always curious to about the responses that my questions provoke. However, the idea that my ideas, concepts, questions, philosophys' or provocations are somehow mute? Or, to be ignored? Well, only the ignorant accept one concept as an absolute - never challenging it, never questioning it, or wondering why it makes it the true belief.

So, Redleg, raise thy hand and say "seige heil!" Isn't that what are you are saying? Or, is it simply that if a person disagrees with you .... they should be ignored? Sounds about right.

[Redleg]

Wellllllll, I certainly do attempt to provoke a response to my queries - that is true. And, i am always curious to about the responses that my questions provoke. However, the idea that my ideas, concepts, questions, philosophys' or provocations are somehow mute? Or, to be ignored? Well, only the ignorant accept one concept as an absolute - never challenging it, never questioning it, or wondering why it makes it the true belief.

Extremists regardless of thier postion on the political spectrum are best ignored - or has several others in this thread of shown, that their position is based upon their own ignorance and fear. Others with far more knowledge of the Middle-East and Islam have shown how ignorant and off-base your initial premise is, and therefor its time to just ignore it. The premise of this thread is very telling given the nature of the term Kafir that is in your name as it relates to Islam.

However you should of stopped right there with your comments.

So, Redleg, raise thy hand and say "seige heil!" Isn't that what are you are saying? Or, is it simply that if a person disagrees with you .... they should be ignored? Sounds about right.

You might want to stop reading Michael Moore and other Liberial bloggers, this is the typical tactic of the far left - accuse others of being something because they chose to ignore your arguement.

Disagreement does not mean that one is raising their hand spouting Nazi doctrine, nor does ignoring an arguement mean anything other then I find your arguement not worthy of discussion.

Bring an arguement that is worthy of discussion. One that does not resort in your normal desire to call other of opposing views Nazi's or facists, like before when you called my ancestor's facists that, a classic blunder again on your part. It seems that once again you have made yourself your own worse enemy.

Your showing yourself to be a extremist, extremists should be ingored and ridiculed for what they are, ignorant knuckleheads.

Edit: because I just could not resist something that I stumbled across in my readings and forgotten until now that is relative to the nature of this thread. It actually explains a lot about how incorrect the nature of your premise and comments truely are in this thread, and why you often resort to triades, insults, and rants in your attempts at communicating with the rest of us.

[Ser Clegane]

Please refrain from making such silly nazi-comparisons - they insult the poeple they are directed at and at the same time tend to trivialize the crimes that have been committed by the "real" Nazis.

[KafirChobee]

Extremists regardless of thier postion on the political spectrum are best ignored - or has several others in this thread of shown, that their position is based upon their own ignorance and fear. Others with far more knowledge of the Middle-East and Islam have shown how ignorant and off-base your initial premise is, and therefor its time to just ignore it. The premise of this thread is very telling given the nature of the term Kafir that is in your name as it relates to Islam.

However you should of stopped right there with your comments.

Disagreement does not mean that one is raising their hand spouting Nazi doctrine, nor does ignoring an arguement mean anything other then I find your arguement not worthy of discussion.

Bring an arguement that is worthy of discussion. One that does not resort in your normal desire to call other of opposing views Nazi's or facists, like before when you called my ancestor's facists that, a classic blunder again on your part. It seems that once again you have made yourself your own worse enemy.

Your showing yourself to be a extremist, extremists should be ingored and ridiculed for what they are, ignorant knuckleheads.

Edit: because I just could not resist something that I stumbled across in my readings and forgotten until now that is relative to the nature of this thread. It actually explains a lot about how incorrect the nature of your premise and comments truely are in this thread, and why you often resort to triades, insults, and rants in your attempts at communicating with the rest of us.

OK, first, KAFIR is an Arabic insult flung at those whom have not been enlightened by Muhamad (sp) and found Allah to be the one true god. It means infidel - or Christian, Jew, Buddhist, etc. So, I'm not exactly sure what the point here was Red - unless it was to somehow signify my conformance to Islam? Or, was it to demonstrate a (my) non-existent disdain for a culture that most westerners refuse to understand - try to remember I spent 6 years in the late 70's and early 80's studying and writing papers on Middle-East affairs. Regardless, I chose the name Kafir not to be offensive (as some names connote), but ....... well, why not? Redleg, I suppose is just a bird? Or is it reference to the "Redlegs" of Civil War attrocities - I mean the Cincinnati Reds shortened their name to be pollitically correct correct back in the 60's. Regardless, what is in a name?

You keep referring to your family, and my calling them Nazis ... when in fact I queried if they were racists - after you commented that one of your ancestors was a founder of the KKK, or a leader in it or some such. It really is getting old though that every time I am accused of being an extremist, or knucklehead, wrong-think, or that my arguements are not worthy of discussion.

On this subject, "the problem with islam", I opened discussion to why islam is the way it is. And, on why so many good people of islamic faith have gone to the darker side of it - I don't believe I have accused the religion of being subversive (as have some) or proclaimed that Jesus is the one true god (or is that Jehova, the name that cannot be spoken, etc?).

Most that have actually had something to say on topic have given me a variation of approaches, perceptions, histories, and analogies that have been somewhat enlightening. Though I do not find all of them as well thoughtout as others, all have been atleast honest. Versus personal attacks against me, or a religion some refuse to even perceive as not being one of terrorism. As one put it, Islam has been hi-jacked just as other religions have to support political beliefs - and/or perceived threats (as another mentioned - a very good one actually, hadn't given much thought to that premise).

Railing against me, calling me an extremist, accusing me of insulting ancestors .... well, what ever rings your bell. Versus actually commenting on topic, or hurling insults, or insinuations that I won't be satisfied 'til we (US)collapse to the level of poverty the majority of Muslims live in. Thing is, seems (to me) there are just as many religious extremists in the Christian community as there are in the Islamic one. It is simply a matter of perception.