British spy in Ierland

[Strike For The South]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html Whats with this? I need background information to make my bigoted opinon.

[Tribesman]

Whats with this?
Right , there is this political group that is full of British agents that is linked to a militant group that is not only full of British agents it recieved arms from British agents ,so that it could attack Britain and other opposing political and militant groups that are also full of British agents .
OK , got that ?
There is this political process where the groups would work together , but some of the groups don't want to work with the other groups so they stopped it with allegations of a spy ring , the spy ring turned out to be a British spy ring.
Is that all clear with you ?
Once a spy is exposed he is no longer of any use , infact he becomes a liability , a very dangerous liability . Like any good business liabilities must be reduced or eliminated .
Now this individual once exposed was in great danger , so he had several options , he could have got himself sent to a maximum security prison , where some people would have had him killed by giving guns to some of the other prisoners and telling them when they could kill him , or he could try and lay low and wait for people to come and kill him .
Interestingly he chose to lay low in an area of the Free State where the law enforcement agency is very corrupt and very inept , not that they could have helped him anyway .
So , who killed him ? was it the British themselves , a militant group that is full of British agents , another militant group that if full of British agents .... or maybe some jealous lover ?...then again it may have been illegal immigrants , it was after all a crime and it is always the immigrants that do criminal things .

[Louis VI the Fat]

So, who killed him ? was it the British themselves, a militant group that is full of British agents, another militant group that if full of British agents ....then again it may have been illegal immigrants, it was after all a crime and it is always the immigrants that do criminal things.

But Tribesman, the British are the illegal immigrants. There wouldn't have been any troubles in the first place without centuries of British immigration.

[Tribesman]

Interesting Louis , but denis donaldson isn't a taig name ,so he must be an immigrant himself , it just goes to show the criminality of immigrants .

[Idaho]

Man in terror group works as a double agent. Later gets shot. Cripes... didn't see that coming. What do people expect? Why do people even pretend to be suprised by this stuff?

[rory_20_uk]

Since Britain owned Ireland, they aren't illegal immigrants.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I am going to assume SFTS, that you have some background idea of the political situation in the North of Ireland, otherwise we'll be here all night.

Informers have always been a very touchy subject in Republican history, particularly in the late 19th century and early 20th when the British used them very effectively to undermine attempts at both peaceful and revolutionary secession. When Michael Collins introduced the concept of urban terrorism into Irish politics after the Easter Rising of 1916 (which was in itself a feeble and doomed attempt to establish Irish independence through conventional means) he made sure to punish all collaborators with extreme sanction. It was necessary for anyone who worked for the British to be 'terrified' of such collaboration so that the operations against British interests could be carried out safely.

This brutality, arguably necessary in 1919-1922, continued to be a defining factor for the inheritors of the Republican tradition. Sinn Féin refused to accept the Treaty which partitioned Ireland, and treated the pro-Treaty camp with as much contempt as they had done the British (perhaps more). The manifested itself in a brief but very vicious civil war - which Sinn Féin and the anti-treaty side lost. Nonetheless, despite being sidelined by the Republic of Ireland (once De Valera lost his sway over the Republic) and largely considered irrelevant in the North, Sinn Féin continued to hang on to this paranoid delusion of infiltrators at every turn, until the re-invention of the Provisional IRA in the 70's.

Of course, once they started being a terrorist threat again, they were regularly infiltrated by British Intelligence and Special Branch. So the paranoia grew, and they tried Collins' methods once again - to little effect, since the main problem for Sinn Féin/IRA has always been their utter stupidity. The revolutionaries of the 1920's were very learned men - the modern lot are thugs and morons, who use nationalism as a front for assorted criminal activity, drug smuggling and other civic virtues.

Donaldson was a very effective British agent, in some ways. To the Republicans, his admission sparked up all those decades of paranoia. You could hear them frothing from across the sea. Personally, I would be surprised at any 'official' IRA involvement, but I am convinced none of those spineless fools would have stood in the way of the hardline nutcases that decided to kill him.

However, Donaldson must have decided that he would never get away, and to wait for the end. If he wasn't expecting to be killed, he should never have chosen a quiet place near the border, which as Tribesman so eloquently noted, has some of the most corrupt and inept Gardai in my country. (The border police have long been persuadable to republican plans).

Despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth you will read about, it changes nothing. Sinn Féin will still deny all knowledge and any proof will be dismissed as British lies, and Paisley will refuse to work with any republicans until the pope is crucified in Derry - (Ed. Rev: LONDONderry, ye Fenian)

Does that help? (No, I don't understand either, and I live here).

[Red Peasant]

Interesting Louis , but denis donaldson isn't a taig name ,so he must be an immigrant himself , it just goes to show the criminality of immigrants .

So, all along all they had to do was look at his name. They're not as clever as they think those republicans, hey Father Ted.

[ShadesPanther]

Interesting Louis , but denis donaldson isn't a taig name ,so he must be an immigrant himself , it just goes to show the criminality of immigrants .

The Irish President hasn't got a taig name

[InsaneApache]

Like a lot of the 'People of the Isles' I have a personal tale to tell.

Sometime during the second decade of the 20th century, my grandad was captured by Sinn Féin when he was on patrol with a squad from his unit.

He was, IIRC, about 16 or 17 years old.

They ( Sinn Féin) tortured and eventually murdered his compatriots, mostly, in front of him. However they treated him well, and let him go. They had decided to allow this for a couple of reasons.

One was his age. Another was to let him tell his message about what he had seen, presumably to erode morale.

Whatever the reason, I am pleased they allowed him to live.

I have had some great times with Irishmen and women ( I had a really hot affair with a certain lady from the McCabe clan ) and I like the Irish a lot.

After all we share the same archipelago.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Interesting Louis , but denis donaldson isn't a taig name ,so he must be an immigrant himself , it just goes to show the criminality of immigrants .

Donaldson, couldn't it be a further Anglicisation of MacDonnel.
Like all the those people in Scotland called Smith whose families were originally MacGowan/MacGovan (well, in more Gaelic spelling, you know).

Oh, help me with me lovely tangent

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

A week or two ago some Irish newspaper published where he was living. I figure that he may have thought he was safe as he had:
1. left Belfast as instructed.
2. left the U.K.
3. lived in a house that was apparently miles from the nearest neighbour and nearest road.

this is just what I read though.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Since Britain owned Ireland, they aren't illegal immigrants.

I own em all!!!


*twitch*

yes...yes you own them all...yes...me...ha...hahah!

[Tribesman]

The Irish President hasn't got a taig name
Yeah Shades , just like Hyde or Childers , strange isn't it .

I figure that he may have thought he was safe as he had:
1. left Belfast as instructed.
2. left the U.K.
3. lived in a house that was apparently miles from the nearest neighbour and nearest road.

Come on Taffy , who is to say that the people he made the agreement with were the same people who killed him ?
Surely the question should be , who benefits from this?
This is serious shit , in the approaches to a meeting that is supposed to sort out some of this crap , someone dumps a huge fresh plie of excrement on the table .
Given the past few decades history of what happensto iformers , and who it actualy is that is te informer .and the numerous incidents that have been carried out against informers when the actual informer has been the person who cliamed that someone else was the informer .

One seriously screwed up situation .

So SFTS , are you any wiser as to then backround

edit ,, cuddle and listen are the wromg way round

[Strike For The South]

Do I sense tension between the Irish and the English?

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Come on Taffy , who is to say that the people he made the agreement with were the same people who killed him ?

The British media, it must be true.

Edit: although I think they assume that Sinn Fein is indivisible and of one mind on everything, which is obviously true, unless your a wicked Fenian seditionist. Are you Tribe? Are you wicked? please don't say you are.

[Tribesman]

Do I sense tension between the Irish and the English?
Not much , what you sense might be hostility towards extremists from either side , and of course those that use the extrmists for their own ends.

The British media, it must be true nice
Then again have you seen any of the Irish media on this?
I do like the one where the newspaper thet reveald his location is saying that they didn't really reveal his location , they just said here he lived .

But on the bright side ,the donegal division do now have a real murder investigation to conduct , lets see if they can put as much effort into a real murder as they did with a non-existant one

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

tribesman:

what the hell are you doing up at this hour? have you taken up a milk/newspaper round?

Edit: you know, Father Ted's "Speed" episode has given me a very special opinion of Irish milkmen. That was the British media too, spooky eh? they're spreading disinformation about your island. Up and at them I say.

[Tribesman]

what the hell are you doing up at this hour? have you taken up a milk/newspaper round?

nah its a combinaion of a wedding anniverary and a wake .
the floor is full and so is the beds
iam stuck in the corner wiyh allthe beltching and farting going on around me .

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

not to be all stereotyping and stuff but Guiness farts are surely the worst kind.

[Red Peasant]

In my experience the Irish and English really get along brilliantly, except for those times when trying to kill each other. It's a great relationship.

Outsiders just don't understand, especially Americans.

[Slyspy]

Double agent killed by people unknown shock! After his location was published in national newspaper horror! When he hadn't even left Ireland surprise!

[Strike For The South]

In my experience the Irish and English really get along brilliantly, except for those times when trying to kill each other. It's a great relationship.

Outsiders just don't understand, especially Americans.

Just the way yall dont understand Texans

[Red Peasant]

That's because you don't speak English! However, I'm glad that they've got a flag of St George in the Alamo chapel to commemorate the 25 Englishmen who died fighting for Texas.

[BigTex]

Originally posted by Strike For The South
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Peasant
In my experience the Irish and English really get along brilliantly, except for those times when trying to kill each other. It's a great relationship.

Outsiders just don't understand, especially Americans.


Just the way yall dont understand Texans

So very true, no one who hasnt been to Great Texas can understand it.

Originally posted by Red Peasant
That's because you don't speak English! However, I'm glad that they've got a flag of St George in the Alamo chapel to commemorate the 25 Englishmen who died fighting for Texas.

Very true, many people died there, even Americans. What is more amazing about the Texas Revolution was the 15 minute battle that won our independance.

I'm about as lost as STFS on all the details, but it sounds like some gangs dislike the idea of being part of Britian. So they blow up small parts of Britian?

[Tribesman]

I'm about as lost as STFS on all the details, but it sounds like some gangs dislike the idea of being part of Britian. So they blow up small parts of Britian?
Yeah , but then you get really lost when it comes to the gangs that like the idea of being part of Britain but that also blow up parts of Britain .
Confusing isn't it .

[ShadesPanther]

I'm about as lost as STFS on all the details, but it sounds like some gangs dislike the idea of being part of Britian. So they blow up small parts of Britian?
Yeah , but then you get really lost when it comes to the gangs that like the idea of being part of Britain but that also blow up parts of Britain .
Confusing isn't it .

Tribesman you forgot to mention they think they are saving Britan while blowing up a part of it

[Red Peasant]

Everybody keeps talking about this 'Britian' place. Is that part of Britain then? Maybe near Ierland?

Brings to mind that dyslexic/thick English footie hooligan caught on camera during the France world cup who had GREAT BRITIAN tattooed on his arm. So patriotic that he couldn't spell the name of his own country correctly (or his tattooist was Irish! ).

[Tribesman]

Come on peasant , give them a break , they are from Texas after all , well ...errr.....whats Shades excuse

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

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