Andalusian faction

[palissa]

Here come the crossbowman, based on pics on that site with figurine.





comments please :)

[edyzmedieval]

Can you polish that crossbow a bit? It looks a bit weird.(too pointy).

[palissa]

Well, is the default crossbow of rome. i dont have an idea how to modify it.

Need some good pics of crossbow maybe.
And of course, similar andalusian bowman





Sibyan al rikab (maybe a fatimid units? dunno if can be used from andalusian...

[almazor]

for crossbow,i think in the periode between the begining of the mod and 1099 they were not crossbow,i think they apear after the secund crusade,
and al andalus was under the arabs and logiclly the armies must be influenced by arab type of fighting,customs...i this unit they don't have turban and helmet.
for the sibiyan al rikab,this unit is good for abasside because:
1-this man seems like turks(and al mu'tassime recruit some turk as imperial guards)
2-the wear balck cloths and abassides and also there banner.
i read that abasside banners were balck,umayyade were white and fatimides were red.
i think that each unit of each faction must have a specific color
exmple alandalus(who were ruled by umayyades must have in there unit and banners the white color)
abasside balck
fatimide green

[palissa]

Bowman doesnt have nor turban nor helmet, must add it?
In that plates they dont have helmet or turban, but i can add of course.
Let me know what color if i must add turban.

[almazor]

for the plates the bow man was eating(he wasn't in war)osprey is good for some unit but they make a lot of mistakes,but the secund unit is great,i want you to integrate the white color in the unit of al andalus if you can.

[palissa]

Ah, so we dress al andalus in kinda white, if i got it exactly.

Will try to turn it white, and see the result.
Am preparing a berber kidna unit, for an infantry.

[almazor]

ok i'm waiting for it,
i still work on unitlist of fatimids and abassides

[palissa]

tunisian berber infantry.





I keep light color much near to white, for this.

[palissa]

Must tune the andalus, also, many units there with arabian name, and no desc or images whatsoever.
Need explain me those units :)

Ah another question: the andalusian bowman, must have turbant and helmet?
Or cans tay with naked head? If need turbant and helmet, tell me what color, pls. :)

Arab noble cavalry. I stick to white still

[almazor]

nice units,the arab noble cavalry is very good add only a helmet and it's ok,the shield is very good,for the secund unit i think it's arab unit not a berber,it's good for the 3 faction :abasside,al andalus and fatimide.
the shield is good but for sudanese unit you must replace the shield with another metal round shield.
please do this modification and work on mawaly heavy cavalry.
i forget one thing add long spear to arab noble cavalry.
i find this web site,you will find some helmet and head in the periode of fatimids and al andalus
it's usefull for you:
http://www.amazonminiatures.com/dyo/dyo_heads.asp
http://www.dutkins.com/catalog/

[palissa]

I dont have faintest idea on how is a mawaly cavalry. have pic or some info on it?
Or a description?
And which weapons?

[almazor]

for the mawaly:
mawaly heavy cavalry:there parent was slave of the umayades and the ummayade give then there liberty,we cal then in arabic 'mawaly bani umaya'
they preserve there loyality to the ummayade.
N: 60, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W:long spear, curved sword,H: leather, Ar: leather, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.
i don't have pictur of it but they must be influenced by arabs but they are they are with arab noble cavalry the elite of elite of armies of andalus,very strong as spanish heavy cavalry.
add turban and helmet and hide there face with chainmail

[palissa]

okay will use one of those helmet in that site, with chainmail on face.
In this post say armor leather, but i guess i will put chain mail instead of leather.
Will add a white turbant, a metal helmet, chain mail, a long spear, and a new scimitar.
The shield, dunno, round? oval? pointed like those andalusian in pic? which colors? we need to decide a color, or stripes for those shields.
Make a good thinking and tell me how like shield.

[almazor]

i find this(the arabic writing in the it mean:no conquerror but allah) i think we can use it as banner or as figure of shiled,the shield ithink will be round
http://www.hispanicmuslims.com/andalusia/andalusia.html

[palissa]

here a mawali cavalry.
They have also scimitar, as secondary.

[almazor]

very nice,dress him an armor don't leave him like that.and we can use
http://www.hispanicmuslims.com/andalusia/andalusia.html
as banner of al andalus "wala ghaleb ila allah" it means in english:"there's no conquerror but allah".because arab and andalucians decorate there bannere with coran,we find it in the alhambra palace in granada(spain).

[palissa]

he has a chain mail armor, really.
You want some added things? like some other type of armor over it? i can add it easily.

Here with some golden armor :)

[beauchamp]

Awsome Work! Remind me to reqruit you all once this mod is finished for an islamic conquests mod!

[palissa]

Any mod will be wiped out from mtw 2 :))
Where is almazor? i dont know what unit make next!
gimme some hint and descr for units, come on.

[almazor]

i'm sorry i was reading some sources about abbasside and fatimides,but the 's the next step:
Negros: T: heavy Sudanese swordmen (personal guard of calipha), N: 60, A: very strong, C: strong, D: strong, W: curved sword, H: iron, Ar: no, S: no/bilobed, Mo: excellent, St: excellent, Co: very expensive
Mamaliks (slave professional warriors): T: heavy slavic spearmen, N: 80, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.
Murtazika: T: heavy berber spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S: bilobed, Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive.
Muttawia: T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: good, Co: cheap.
Muyahids (jihad warriors): T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
and i think we can add an arab Infantry maybe heavy spearman

[palissa]

obviously those sites dont work, i tried long time ago, but never worked.
I will try to make something from scratch.

[almazor]

picturs of some shield
http://www.maderuelo.com/siglo12/vestimenta/escudo.html

[palissa]

Did already some sudanese stuff.
Will try to do other, keeping always a shade of white.

[almazor]

you can do muttawiya or Muyahids

[palissa]

Murtazika, heavy berber spearman, padded leather, peanuts shield with zebra skin, helmet, white turban.





Muttawia
light berber spearman, javelinman, no armor, bilobal shield covered with cow skin.

[almazor]

booth unit are good can you change the shield for muttawia.now we have to do mamaliks and negro guards

[palissa]

Mmm, what type of shield? Just change isnt enough, must tell how change :)

For negros, i have this model of sudanese mercenary on osprey plate:

[almazor]

it's nice for fatimid(they used nubian and sudanese in there armies),but for andaluce faction i think they must be heavely armored and they must have an arabic types of weapons,shield,helmet,turban and cloaths.add to that they are swordmen don't hide there face(only to know they are black).don't forget including white color.good luck,if you do that we pass to mamaliks

[palissa]

Here the negros reskinned.



And here the muyahids