A Toe in the Water (Redux)

**IrishMike** · 04-06-2006, 05:36

I have a problem with just about everything connected to the current administration here in the USA. I think the next president needs to be a solid moderate to gain back some national unity, and then slowly shift back to a more liberal direction.

**Faust|** · 04-06-2006, 08:47

Extremely naive poll. Unless this is to call out all who answer positively.

**Xiahou** · 04-06-2006, 10:11

Originally Posted by Faust|

Extremely naive poll. Unless this is to call out all who answer positively.

Im totally blown away by all the complaints about this. What's so difficult about it? You just have to say -overall- how do you feel about your country's future? Honestly, it's just that simple.... either you think it looks good or bad.

Yes, there can be both good and bad things happening, but you're expected to weigh them and come up with an overall assessment. If you somehow cant manage that, dont vote.

**Kanamori** · 04-06-2006, 12:17

Overall, I'm disappointed and bothered by many of the policies that have always been in the States and their hypocrisy but we're not a hole in the ground. We have what tends to matter most for good life, a strong economy, and the future in that area looks good with our businesses spreading to developing areas. Unfortunately, I think we have come to be too dependant on foreign trade for manufactoring, and something must be done about the enormous deficit in trade -- nothing "protectionist" will do -- but the economy cannot remain strong unless we produce more and sell more abroad.

**Kagemusha** · 04-06-2006, 16:40

Overall im positive in the direction of my country. But there are lots of issues still i dont agree with the Government and specially EU.

**Watchman** · 04-06-2006, 16:45

I kinda like the EU you know. Sure it's clunky and weird and unwieldy and hardly ever does quite what everyone'd like it to (which shouldn't be too surprising, given that this tends to mainly consist of some variation of "gimme mo' money"...), but it gets points for the sheer novelty value and effort.

Plus it's helped keep the Brits, French and Germans off each others' throats and actually cooperating (to some degree anyway) instead. That's a definite plus, given the track record of those three.

**Kagemusha** · 04-06-2006, 17:01

Originally Posted by Watchman

I kinda like the EU you know. Sure it's clunky and weird and unwieldy and hardly ever does quite what everyone'd like it to (which shouldn't be too surprising, given that this tends to mainly consist of some variation of "gimme mo' money"...), but it gets points for the sheer novelty value and effort.

Plus it's helped keep the Brits, French and Germans off each others' throats and actually cooperating (to some degree anyway) instead. That's a definite plus, given the track record of those three.

I agree that the idea is not bad and also that it has kept for its part the Big Nations from fighting eachother.I just think it needs massive reforms for it to work.

**Faust|** · 04-06-2006, 17:21

Originally Posted by Xiahou

Im totally blown away by all the complaints about this. What's so difficult about it? You just have to say -overall- how do you feel about your country's future? Honestly, it's just that simple.... either you think it looks good or bad.

Yes, there can be both good and bad things happening, but you're expected to weigh them and come up with an overall assessment. If you somehow cant manage that, dont vote.

Well you didn't convince me. The area you're talking about isn't what bothers me, in fact to me its a moot point.

Let me clarify: How about we travel to Europe in the feudal age and ask the peasants if they are satisfied with the overall direction of their country?

What is worse, now, is that even the aristocrats are "peasants"... and the most ignoble are "aristocrats".

**Pindar** · 04-06-2006, 23:50

Originally Posted by Faust|

Well you didn't convince me. The area you're talking about isn't what bothers me, in fact to me its a moot point.

Let me clarify: How about we travel to Europe in the feudal age and ask the peasants if they are satisfied with the overall direction of their country?

What is worse, now, is that even the aristocrats are "peasants"... and the most ignoble are "aristocrats".

So, your hostile to any poll that asks how a person feels about their nation's future prospects because unless we assume they have the power to change things we should never ask their feelings? How odd. Putting aside the obvious practical check such a critique encounters in a nation with suffrage, I guess the real issue is why does any praxis have to inform asking about a person's feelings on a thing?

**Pindar** · 04-06-2006, 23:53

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Hmm...perhaps it did not occur to you, but I was speaking of your polls...

There was no qualifier. The statement was "never reply to Pindar again" Now given your amended stance fails under its own criteria that means a failure of resolve twice over. Alas.

Let's see:

And arrogance is broken...

and

Minus 1 (no 2) points for arrogance...

Two personal slights in successive posts to me.

Minus one point for repeated personal attacks.
Minus one point for lack originality in using the point deduction tracker.

Your not doing very well. Best to just focus on the poll and your sense for your nation's future.

**Reenk Roink** · 04-07-2006, 02:00