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    Clan Silent Assassins Member Faust|'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
    Im totally blown away by all the complaints about this. What's so difficult about it? You just have to say -overall- how do you feel about your country's future? Honestly, it's just that simple.... either you think it looks good or bad.

    Yes, there can be both good and bad things happening, but you're expected to weigh them and come up with an overall assessment. If you somehow cant manage that, dont vote.
    Well you didn't convince me. The area you're talking about isn't what bothers me, in fact to me its a moot point.

    Let me clarify: How about we travel to Europe in the feudal age and ask the peasants if they are satisfied with the overall direction of their country?

    What is worse, now, is that even the aristocrats are "peasants"... and the most ignoble are "aristocrats".
    Last edited by Faust|; 04-06-2006 at 17:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faust|
    Well you didn't convince me. The area you're talking about isn't what bothers me, in fact to me its a moot point.

    Let me clarify: How about we travel to Europe in the feudal age and ask the peasants if they are satisfied with the overall direction of their country?

    What is worse, now, is that even the aristocrats are "peasants"... and the most ignoble are "aristocrats".
    So, your hostile to any poll that asks how a person feels about their nation's future prospects because unless we assume they have the power to change things we should never ask their feelings? How odd. Putting aside the obvious practical check such a critique encounters in a nation with suffrage, I guess the real issue is why does any praxis have to inform asking about a person's feelings on a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
    Hmm...perhaps it did not occur to you, but I was speaking of your polls...
    There was no qualifier. The statement was "never reply to Pindar again" Now given your amended stance fails under its own criteria that means a failure of resolve twice over. Alas.

    Let's see:

    And arrogance is broken...
    and

    Minus 1 (no 2) points for arrogance...
    Two personal slights in successive posts to me.

    Minus one point for repeated personal attacks.
    Minus one point for lack originality in using the point deduction tracker.

    Your not doing very well. Best to just focus on the poll and your sense for your nation's future.
    Last edited by Pindar; 04-07-2006 at 00:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    There was no qualifier. The statement was "never reply to Pindar again" Now given your amended stance fails under its own criteria that means a failure of resolve twice over. Alas.
    Lets keep this in mind when...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Two personal slights in successive posts to me.

    Minus one point for repeated personal attacks.
    Ah...yes...

    Woe to me
    Villain as I am
    For vilifying thee
    With personal spam

    Sadly, these statements were ignored by you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Gah is for the retarded.
    Very humble of you. May we all feel "retarded" for following such a "inane" tradition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Minus one point for lack of resolve.
    Yes, please, deduct points from me by pointing out my lacking characteristics, I shall still hold you above personal attacks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Minus one point for lack originality in using the point deduction tracker.
    Another one gone. Man, with all these deductions, my worth as a person really goes down. Too bad I am just so lacking in originality as well. This point system is truly genius. So sublime that my mockery of it was seen as imitation.

    This cannot be a personal attack, as I just dont add up to a person anymore ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Your not doing very well. Best to just focus on the poll and your sense for your nation's future.
    Was I now? Well, I thought I was doing very well, but, alas, your observation is of more import. Very well, I would focus on the poll, but I fear that it would only expose more of my lacking resolve, as I had previously stated twice that I would not respond to Pindar polls...

    Whoops, this post was its own refutation...
    Last edited by Reenk Roink; 04-07-2006 at 02:05.

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    I see the oppositionism continues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
    I shall still hold you above personal attacks...
    I've made no personal attacks. I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. No particular retard has been indicated. I also pointed out Gah is inane. That "Gah" is inane says nothing about any specific individual.


    Was I now? Well, I thought I was doing very well, but, alas, your observation is of more import.
    Actually the proper grammar is: "Aren't I now?"
    Last edited by Pindar; 04-07-2006 at 08:37.

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    This "Oh-I'm-so-wise-and-full-of-knowledge-that-I-feel-invincible" game bores the hell out of the ones interested in the topic.

    Gah is great and my opinion is not to be replied by over-wisemen. I feel humble from the birth. ("Retarded" maybe..Oh sure you shouldn't reply, I did not point out a particular wiseman. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I see the oppositionism continues.
    Evidently...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I've made no personal attacks. I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. No particular retard has been indicated. I also pointed out Gah is inane. That "Gah" is inane says nothing about any specific individual.
    Sadly, you missed a great amount of my post which dealt with your personal attacks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Actually the proper grammar is: "Aren't I now?"
    Oh no!

    Hopefully you dont take off points...

    Now you have opened up a new window of criticism. Sadly, it is also a desperate window. As I recall, in this statement "Your not doing very well." The 'Your' should be 'You are' or 'You're'. My it be known, that although I make mistakes, others do as well...
    Last edited by Reenk Roink; 04-07-2006 at 20:35.

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    Gah Canadian positive Gah !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
    Sadly, you missed a great amount of my post which dealt with your personal attacks...
    Is this an example of dealing with it?

    "Woe to me
    Villain as I am
    For vilifying thee
    With personal spam"

    One shouldn't confuse a post with a proper reply.


    Now you have opened up a new window of criticism. Sadly, it is also a desprate window. As I recall, in this statement "Your not doing very well." The 'Your' should be 'You are' or 'You're'. My it be known, that although I make mistakes, others do as well...
    I know, I actually went back and edited the "you're" to "your" to see if you would pick up on it and reply like you have. Very telling. But everyone certainly does make mistakes.
    Last edited by Pindar; 04-07-2006 at 18:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. ... I also pointed out Gah is inane.
    You say that as if it's a bad thing.

    Gah!

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    HaG
    So retarded that I cannot even spell agH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    You say that as if it's a bad thing.
    I just find an intense loyalty to a single word odd. I can't even recall how often I've seen comments like "there is no gah so I can't/won't reply". I remember other polls going way back where if the pollster didn't include the option then somehow both he and the poll were flawed. I decided from that time forward never to use it in any poll I might make. The whole attitude seems inane to me. The fact so many here treat this as an issue is illustrative.

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