A Toe in the Water (Redux)

[Proletariat]

My Senior Membership reaches back even to the Elder Days...

Congratulations on me noticing.

[Goofball]

Im totally blown away by all the complaints about this. What's so difficult about it? You just have to say -overall- how do you feel about your country's future? Honestly, it's just that simple.... either you think it looks good or bad.

Yes, there can be both good and bad things happening, but you're expected to weigh them and come up with an overall assessment. If you somehow cant manage that, dont vote.

I agree.

Don't like the poll?

Too easy: Don't vote.

And if you still feel the need to complain about the poll after not having taken part in it, then please allow me to offer you a nice glass of shut your whining cake-hole.

[Faust|]

What's the problem? What I said was both relevant and cuts deep. In this open forum the merits of my statement validate it. So maybe if you don't like it... you know the rest.

[Ser Clegane]

I'm somewhat negative about the prospects and the direction of Germany, because too many people on this country are to negative when thinking about the future.

Uhm ... does this make any sense?

But seriously, I think over the past decades we developed too many people in Germany focused on whining and complaining about how bad everything is, instead of showing some optimism and doing something.
The problem is, that continued whining and complaining can almost paralyse and will rather accelerate a downwards trend.
It might be that our current grand coalition will be able to trigger some changes as they can (in theory) make a lot of decisions without facing a lot of opposition, however, I am a bit sceptical that they really manage to get the ball rolling.

Regarding the value of the poll - I think it is a very valid way to check
a) the overall sentiment in a specific country (which can be a good indicator of were things will actually go in the next years)
b) how countries compare with each other

[Reenk Roink]

"Never" is not very long it appears.

Minus one point for lack of resolve.

Hmm...perhaps it did not occur to you, but I was speaking of your polls...

Minus 1 (no 2) points for arrogance...

A tradition that is inane is its own refutation.

Ahh...isn't everything...

It is easier to say that than to actually refute something...

[Sjakihata]

Hmm...perhaps it did not occur to you, but I was speaking of your polls...

Minus 1 (no 2) points for arrogance...



Ahh...isn't everything...

It is easier to say that than to actually refute something...

Still never is not long, as you replied right there...

[Reenk Roink]

Still never is not long, as you replied right there...

Wow...

OK, my mistake, I meant the the polls, but worded it wrong...

Enough nitpicking...

Gah is Great...

[Kralizec]

I decided to give the poll a chance, until I noticed this:

Netherlands: I'm positive about the prospects of the nation and its direction.
Netherlands: I'm positive about the prospects of the nation and its direction.

Did our government offer you extravagant sums of cash for this poll, Pindar?

[Pindar]

Well you didn't convince me. The area you're talking about isn't what bothers me, in fact to me its a moot point.

Let me clarify: How about we travel to Europe in the feudal age and ask the peasants if they are satisfied with the overall direction of their country?

What is worse, now, is that even the aristocrats are "peasants"... and the most ignoble are "aristocrats".

So, your hostile to any poll that asks how a person feels about their nation's future prospects because unless we assume they have the power to change things we should never ask their feelings? How odd. Putting aside the obvious practical check such a critique encounters in a nation with suffrage, I guess the real issue is why does any praxis have to inform asking about a person's feelings on a thing?

[Pindar]

Hmm...perhaps it did not occur to you, but I was speaking of your polls...

There was no qualifier. The statement was "never reply to Pindar again" Now given your amended stance fails under its own criteria that means a failure of resolve twice over. Alas.

Let's see:

And arrogance is broken...

and

Minus 1 (no 2) points for arrogance...

Two personal slights in successive posts to me.

Minus one point for repeated personal attacks.
Minus one point for lack originality in using the point deduction tracker.

Your not doing very well. Best to just focus on the poll and your sense for your nation's future.

[Pindar]

I decided to give the poll a chance, until I noticed this:

Did our government offer you extravagant sums of cash for this poll, Pindar?

Oops! If you want to post an opinion just consider the top one positive and the bottom negative. It doesn't seem I can correct the poll choices. Of course! Given the wherewithal of the Dutch so that even the sea is forced to retreat before their resolve one option is probably all that is needed.

[Reenk Roink]

There was no qualifier. The statement was "never reply to Pindar again" Now given your amended stance fails under its own criteria that means a failure of resolve twice over. Alas.

Lets keep this in mind when...

Two personal slights in successive posts to me.

Minus one point for repeated personal attacks.

Ah...yes...

Woe to me
Villain as I am
For vilifying thee
With personal spam

Sadly, these statements were ignored by you:

Gah is for the retarded.

Very humble of you. May we all feel "retarded" for following such a "inane" tradition.

Minus one point for lack of resolve.

Yes, please, deduct points from me by pointing out my lacking characteristics, I shall still hold you above personal attacks...

Minus one point for lack originality in using the point deduction tracker.

Another one gone. Man, with all these deductions, my worth as a person really goes down. Too bad I am just so lacking in originality as well. This point system is truly genius. So sublime that my mockery of it was seen as imitation.

This cannot be a personal attack, as I just dont add up to a person anymore ....

Your not doing very well. Best to just focus on the poll and your sense for your nation's future.

Was I now? Well, I thought I was doing very well, but, alas, your observation is of more import. Very well, I would focus on the poll, but I fear that it would only expose more of my lacking resolve, as I had previously stated twice that I would not respond to Pindar polls...

Whoops, this post was its own refutation...

[Pindar]

I see the oppositionism continues.

I shall still hold you above personal attacks...

I've made no personal attacks. I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. No particular retard has been indicated. I also pointed out Gah is inane. That "Gah" is inane says nothing about any specific individual.

Was I now? Well, I thought I was doing very well, but, alas, your observation is of more import.

Actually the proper grammar is: "Aren't I now?"

[LeftEyeNine]

This "Oh-I'm-so-wise-and-full-of-knowledge-that-I-feel-invincible" game bores the hell out of the ones interested in the topic.

Gah is great and my opinion is not to be replied by over-wisemen. I feel humble from the birth. ("Retarded" maybe..Oh sure you shouldn't reply, I did not point out a particular wiseman. )

[Reenk Roink]

I see the oppositionism continues.

Evidently...

I've made no personal attacks. I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. No particular retard has been indicated. I also pointed out Gah is inane. That "Gah" is inane says nothing about any specific individual.

Sadly, you missed a great amount of my post which dealt with your personal attacks...

Actually the proper grammar is: "Aren't I now?"

Oh no!

Hopefully you dont take off points...

Now you have opened up a new window of criticism. Sadly, it is also a desperate window. As I recall, in this statement "Your not doing very well." The 'Your' should be 'You are' or 'You're'. My it be known, that although I make mistakes, others do as well...

[R'as al Ghul]

I've casted a proper vote, but out of sympathy for the retarded I say:

GAH!

[UglyandHasty]

Gah Canadian positive Gah !

[Sjakihata]

Gah!

[Lemur]

I simply pointed out "Gah" is for the retarded. ... I also pointed out Gah is inane.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Gah!

[Tribesman]

HaG
So retarded that I cannot even spell agH

[Pindar]

Sadly, you missed a great amount of my post which dealt with your personal attacks...

Is this an example of dealing with it?

"Woe to me
Villain as I am
For vilifying thee
With personal spam"

One shouldn't confuse a post with a proper reply.

Now you have opened up a new window of criticism. Sadly, it is also a desprate window. As I recall, in this statement "Your not doing very well." The 'Your' should be 'You are' or 'You're'. My it be known, that although I make mistakes, others do as well...

I know, I actually went back and edited the "you're" to "your" to see if you would pick up on it and reply like you have. Very telling. But everyone certainly does make mistakes.

[Ser Clegane]

Is there any chance that the actual topic of this thread will be discussed?

This is getting a bit silly - and I am inclined to put an end to it...

[Pindar]

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

I just find an intense loyalty to a single word odd. I can't even recall how often I've seen comments like "there is no gah so I can't/won't reply". I remember other polls going way back where if the pollster didn't include the option then somehow both he and the poll were flawed. I decided from that time forward never to use it in any poll I might make. The whole attitude seems inane to me. The fact so many here treat this as an issue is illustrative.

[Pindar]

Is there any chance that the actual topic of this thread will be discussed?

Probably not. The gah loyalists are determined. Such is the power of dogma.

[Xiahou]

I just find an intense loyalty to a single word odd. I can't even recall how often I've seen comments like "there is no gah so I can't/won't reply". I remember other polls going way back where if the pollster didn't include the option then somehow both he and the poll were flawed. I decided from that time forward never to use it in any poll I might make. The whole attitude seems inane to me. The fact so many here treat this as an issue is illustrative.

I'm now inclined to agree.

Eye rolls all around for the turn this thread has taken.

[Sjakihata]

The gah loyalists are determined. Such is the power of dogma.

Oh, it's not a dogma, it's a theorem, proved by a priori synthetic knowledge.

I proclaim the transcendental Gah!

[Reenk Roink]

I know, I actually went back and edited the "you're" to "your" to see if you would pick up on it and reply like you have. Very telling. But everyone certainly does make mistakes.

Unbelievable...

First, you accuse me of personal attacks, despite the fact that several were from you, and now you accuse me of pointing out bad grammar, although my reply was in response to you doing the exact thing.

O why am I
Accused of villainy?
From the guy
Steeped in hypocrisy

Also, what is "very telling" is the fact that you purposely edited a baiting attempt into your post, in order that I would reply, and when I didn't, you actually called me out on a grammar problem as a second baiting attempt...

Very deep plotting, don't you think? I am as perplexed with that particular course of action as you are with the "Gah loyalists" ...

[Redleg]

Unbelievable...

First, you accuse me of personal attacks, despite the fact that several were from you, and now you accuse me of pointing out bad grammar, although my reply was in response to you doing the exact thing.

O why am I
Accused of villainy?
From the guy
Steeped in hypocrisy

Why ask Why?

[Pindar]

Oh, it's not a dogma, it's a theorem, proved by a priori synthetic knowledge.

I proclaim the transcendental Gah!

That was from an earlier draft of the First Critique which Kant then rejected as an empty concept.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Negative. In eight-year-old style: France drastically needs some reforms, especially in the economy, especially in labour laws. President is a lame duck. Prime minister tries to show off with a solution to the massive protests of last year: new labour law that would mean less youth unemployment to increase integration. It is the wrong law at the wrong time by the wrong person. Even more massive protests follow. PM is a lame duck now too. Reform from the right therefore unfeasable. After all of this the left will certainly not go into the elections next year with a program of economic reform. So nothing will change when change is what is needed most, country will fall behind even more, making people even more uncertain, which makes them cling on even more to current social rights. So:

Pwnd.