Dead in prison

[Kraxis]

Placing all "rape victims" in the same category is not helpful. My favourite one was a woman who invited a bloke back to her place, stripped off and gyrated naked on his body when he was on the bed - then at that point said no. Yes, she was responsible.

As in what happened to her?
Are you kidding me? She was a nasty bitch in my mind, but that doesn't make ir right for the guy to force himself on her. He should have left, firing off tirades of verbal abuse to get his steam down a bit, but to rape her for that?
By condoning such acts we are being reduced to animals who can't control themselves. We must always strive to control ourselves, much like you seem to have done.

[Tribesman]

I'm in the UK. He was in the UK. HERE knives aren't allowed.

Yes they are , does the newpaper article say what knife the person was carrying and if it was an illegal knife for someone to carry ?
Carrying a knife that is not within the legal rules as which make it a legal knife is a crime , and carrying a knife with the intention of using it in a crime is a crime regardless of if it is a legal or illegal knife.

[rory_20_uk]

I agree that we should control ourselves.

In trial, one has the story from both sides. The accusor states that they refused sexual intercourse, and were raped. The defendant takes the line that sex was consentual.

So, she cheerfully states that she got to that position and said "no". I would find her story sufficiently unbelievable to find sufficient grounds to not convict.

But even if for the sake of argument she did get to that position and say "no" I feel that at least 40% of the blame lies with her: if you are going to get into an position where you have a firm line which you won't cross, you'd better be sure that everyone else involved is aware.

By taking the woman's side creates a situation where one would require a witnessed statement before intercourse, in case later on the women decides to cry "rape!!": "yes, officer I got into bed with him, and we were both naked, but I had no intention of sleeping with him..."

Everyone blows off steam sometimes. I broke one finger on a concrete pillar after punching it, and lost use of the same hand for about a week in another event after a "friend" told me to "pull myself together". In both cases I reacted strongly after being provoked, and only I was hurt so no biggie. It was the "animal" reaction, but one that I failed to control.

[Kraxis]

Ah, but you didn't provide this kind of info... You made it sound as if the man was in his legal right (if not moral) to actually have sex with her when it had gone that far. And that is not right.

If I was sitting as a jury I would likely find her a bit unconvincing, an the case would likely in my mind no go in favour of her. But that was not the point I contested.

No matter how far you go, even if the act has started and the female wants out it is her right. If rape does happen as a cause of this, she might have part of the blame, but that doesn't change the fact that she wasn't the one who commited the crime. And it ends there...
My GF have had several issues in this regard, and we have many times been forced to call it off even after it was started. Are you saying that if I pressed on it wasn't rape? Or that I was allowed to do so? Of course not... (I hope)
That she is my GF should change the facts of the situation, I was likely just as worked up as any other guy out there.

[rory_20_uk]

Apologies for failing to provide info. I do have a habit of thinking I'm reminding people of facts that are only in my own head at the time...

I agree that she committed no crime. Her actions did mean that to cry rape isn't going to get anywhere.

Sorry to hear your GF is a cold fish. I don't particularly want to know what you mean by after it "was started". There is an argument that she is being very selfish in always putting her own wants and desires in from of yours. But that's in your relationship.

My ex-GF thought that it was "funny" to start saying "Rape" at extremely inoppourtune times, and thought that it was strange in that I didn't find this equally funny.

[Kraxis]

Apologies for failing to provide info. I do have a habit of thinking I'm reminding people of facts that are only in my own head at the time...

I agree that she committed no crime. Her actions did mean that to cry rape isn't going to get anywhere.

Sorry to hear your GF is a cold fish. I don't particularly want to know what you mean by after it "was started". There is an argument that she is being very selfish in always putting her own wants and desires in from of yours. But that's in your relationship.

My ex-GF thought that it was "funny" to start saying "Rape" at extremely inoppourtune times, and thought that it was strange in that I didn't find this equally funny.

Very well...

My GF is not a 'cold fish', there are real issues that aren't so easy to fix. And by 'started' I meant 'started the fun part'.
Luckily this wasn't always, or even most often, but still something that wasn't fun.

Agreed, I would get pretty 'lax' if she did that with me.