Fall/Siege of Constantinople

[edyzmedieval]

We all know Constantinople fell the the Turks at the end of the Medieval Period. Cannons have always been attributed to the Turkish victory.

Actually the Fall of Constantinople was a lengthy process. The fall started along with 1204. That really marked a turning point. Slowly, the Turks gained territory as the emperors neglected the middle class, turning their attention to Stratiots or Pronoias.

But it didn't work out, so in 1453, it fell forever.

Mehmet would have conquered Constantinople without cannons much much harder. Constantinople could have been constantly supplied by the ships, if he didn't construct the 2 fortresses on the entrances to the Bosphor: Rumeli Hissar and Boghaz Kessen. Those 2 stopped the ships with their cannons from entering the Bosphor to supply the city.

And the fact is, Orban is considered Magyar, but he was born in Transylavania. At that time, Transylvania was part of Hungary. But in modern days, it belongs to Romania. So basically, I am really ashamed and angry of him.

And another fact, which is really historical. The Hungarian diplomat sent by Janos Hunyiadi(born also in Transylavania) told the Ottoman bombers the triangle wall bombardment. THAT brought the walls down!!! Because of a diplomat sent to act in the interests of the Byzantines!!!

As for the Kerkoporta, I really doubt it had such a big impact.

Discuss please.

[Rosacrux redux]

Attack of the clone-topics

Damn, you copied many of the ideas in the relevant topic in TWC, didn't you? Well, I've given a deailed view there, not gonna do that again here.

[Kagemusha]

I saw that too Edyz...About the siege of Constatinopole if you want to read a heart touching novel about it.please read Mika Waltaris(the author of Sinuhet)Novel Mikael Angelos. Its the best Novel of that siege i have ever read.

[edyzmedieval]

We got a romanian writer who wrote a 2 book novel called "Fall of Constantinople".
Really touching...

Maybe I'll read the one you Kage proposed.
And as for Rosacrux, leave it. People here have a much different opinion.

[Rosacrux redux]

...meaning?

[Kagemusha]

Guys this is monastery.Take it easy

[Idomeneas]

I saw that too Edyz...About the siege of Constatinopole if you want to read a heart touching novel about it.please read Mika Waltaris(the author of Sinuhet)Novel Mikael Angelos. Its the best Novel of that siege i have ever read.

Its ''Ioannis Aggelos'' and indeed its very good novel. Very emotionaly charged, but good.

[Randarkmaan]

So basically, I am really ashamed and angry of him.

For letting the Byzantine empire fall?
Actually for much of the late 14th and the 15th century the Byzantine empire was but a vassal of the Ottoman state. I don't think the Ottomans would have had to wait long before the Byzantines would have handed the city over to them peacefully.

[edyzmedieval]

I am angry for Orban. He left the Byzantines because they couldn't supply them with materials!!!!

[Kagemusha]

Its ''Ioannis Aggelos'' and indeed its very good novel. Very emotionaly charged, but good.

Its Mikael Angelos in the original language its written.

[Watchman]

Its Mikael Angelos in the original language its written.

I could swear it's "Johannes Angelos" (I've seen the English translation titled "Dark Angel", incidentally) - you sure you're not confusing it with the Mikael Karvajalka books ? Mind you, I thought those were better too...

As for Urban the artillerist (or cannonsmith, or whatever he now technically speaking was), who cares ? There's never been any shortage of mercenaries and disgruntled professionals leaving for greener pastures anywhere, was there ? The man had marketable skills, so it is only natural he sought the best money he could get for them. Regardless of what the official dogma and propaganda was, people on both sides had the pesky habit of quite often being rather flexible in these things too. Just look at the strange love-hate soap opera relationship the Venetians and Ottomans had...