Is Gah! inane?

[R'as al Ghul]

They are saying 'Gah!'!!

*grabs axe*

.... and the rest is history ....

Thanks for the comment.

*walks away, fumbling for his head on the ground*

[TheSilverKnight]

Now where is Vanya when we need him?

As for me. Gah is like Gahd. Only missing letters. ;-)

Which heretic here says gah is retarded? Well if so, then count me in with the retards!

[Ianofsmeg16]

I'm a retard!

[Craterus]

One more for the loony bin!

[AntiochusIII]

I find it most surprising that Pindar would consider such a thinking as Plato's as the backbone of philosophy.

Perhaps the claim that Philosophy is a footnote back to Plato is valid, but it would be a very long footnote filled with insults and disagreements, especially if we are to consider the later ages.

And I for one truly doubts GAH! is a good example of the herd mentality. There is a difference between light-hearted jokes taken by many people as a tradition and what herd mentality is often referred to as, bigotry and prejudice.

of course, I voted gah!

[Pindar]

I find it most surprising that Pindar would consider such a thinking as Plato's as the backbone of philosophy.

Hello,

I have made no such claim. However, Plato was the first system builder and platonic realism, in one fashion or another, has had a strong presence in Western Thought ever since. One has only to go to a Mathematics Dept. for an illustration.

Perhaps the claim that Philosophy is a footnote back to Plato is valid, but it would be a very long footnote filled with insults and disagreements, especially if we are to consider the later ages.

That is certainly true.

And I for one truly doubts GAH! is a good example of the herd mentality.

It's a perfect example. Just look at the number who run to embrace retardation in this and related threads.

[Byzantine Prince]

Herd mentality is to be taken advantage of by others. There will always be idiots and they will always be ignorant that will be annoyed by that fact. People don't like to be called idiots even if it is a relevent fact.

You wouldn't want me pointing out how dumb I think your religion is, would you Pindar?

[AntiochusIII]

Hello,

I have made no such claim. However, Plato was the first system builder and platonic realism, in one fashion or another, has had a strong presence in Western Thought ever since. One has only to go to a Mathematics Dept. for an illustration.

Ah, then I have misunderstood your post. And I acknowledge the influence of Plato--nonetheless, I do not believe him right for many reasons. And Platonic realism does seem to me quite contradictory, so I'd like to ask that you elaborate on this to dispel my ignorance. Unless, of course, you mean the theoretical absoluteness that Plato likes to base his philosophy on.

It's a perfect example. Just look at the number who run to embrace retardation in this and related threads.

Number does not indicate everything. You missed the more important sentence after the one you quoted, where I gave my reason: the "herd mentality" has an unavoidable connotation of bigotry and the foolish masses--the long-running joke, a tradition if you may, of Gah!, is not bigotry. It is almost satire.

[Faust|]

Regarding the herd mentality:

I read something just today while studying for a test in an anthropology class that is pertinent:

"Among the higher primates and humans, a youngster must learn what behavior is acceptable in order to get along successfully with other members of its social group. A youngster must also acquire a repertoire of learned behaviors to deal with its environment and learn how to utilize these behaviors successfully. Such learned standards of behavior are the group's culture. Because it is learned, not inhereted, cultural behavior can only be passed on through traditions, not through genes. However, the biological bases for this sort of learned behavior - namely, a prolonged period of dependency and a large, complex brain- are themselves genetically inherited."

I'm never surprised at any herd mentality, and not often really disturbed by any except mob mentality. What does surprise me is the prolification of this strange creature that lives outside of society. These individuals are socially stunted, but not intellectually stunted. Might this be a result of the parts of their brain housing higher reasoning being dominant and leading to simply a greater proportion of time in development being occupied by asocial, "higher" they would say, thought or activity? What fascinates me is the prospect that the trend throughout the human species toward increased ability in higher reasoning, a trait that increases survivability, would result in an inability to thrive socially (something so integral to basic human survivability and reproductive success). Is this a truth, or are those who are socially stunted simply as mal-adapted as a weakling?

An easy answer would be to say that all those who are intelligent yet socially stunted are weaklings, but this is not true. I do admit a "secondary" social learning phase for some, where negative social pressure may have forced them to invest time in their development to social thinking, resulting in a socially successful and intellectually potent adult. But what about those who are definitively socially unsuccessful, physically both at least average in strength and attractiveness, and very bright? The catch is, and I have seen this supported by facts, that there are inordinately more socially unsuccessful bright people than mentally "average" people of similar physique... I'm just amazed. Yet I wouldn't hesitate to deem so many of those numerous people who have advanced the technical knowledge of humankind over time as "undesirable nerds." HURRAH ATAVISM!

[Husar]

Herd mentality is to be taken advantage of by others. There will always be idiots and they will always be ignorant that will be annoyed by that fact. People don't like to be called idiots even if it is a relevent fact.

You wouldn't want me pointing out how dumb I think your religion is, would you Pindar?

And you wouldn´t want me to say what I think about your philosophy, it´s all subjective my friend...

[Pindar]

Ah, then I have misunderstood your post. And I acknowledge the influence of Plato--nonetheless, I do not believe him right for many reasons. And Platonic realism does seem to me quite contradictory, so I'd like to ask that you elaborate on this to dispel my ignorance. Unless, of course, you mean the theoretical absoluteness that Plato likes to base his philosophy on.

I do mean the formal appeals that impact his metaphysics. What contradiction(s) are you referring to?

Number does not indicate everything. You missed the more important sentence after the one you quoted, where I gave my reason: the "herd mentality" has an unavoidable connotation of bigotry and the foolish masses--the long-running joke, a tradition if you may, of Gah!, is not bigotry. It is almost satire.

Satire suggests a subtlety of thought and position that is not demonstrated by the gaggle.

[Sjakihata]

I do mean the formal appeals that impact his metaphysics. What contradiction(s) are you referring to?

Have you read Platos Parmenides? A young Socrates is arguing with Parmenides and Parmenides kicks his arse verbally. Now, this is a strong self-criticism, where Plato actually points out some errors of his metaphysical system.
One question that is fair to ask Plato is, how does new things occur? Have the ideas always been there for every possible imaginable thing?

Also that last book in the republic really shows me what ancient and flawed his system is. While I, of course, do not discredit him and acknowledge his strong influence, especially on christian and neoplatonic thought, he, in my opinion, doesnt have a functioning impact on as many issues as Aristotle - who was/is refered to as The Philosopher.

[Rodion Romanovich]

It's a perfect example. Just look at the number who run to embrace retardation in this and related threads.

If Gah is retarded herd mentality, then the English language is a retarded herd mentality. Gah is not a political opinion but a language convention at the .org, and inside joke, or a tradition at the most. It's not like we're saying "the holy Gah commands you to kill all who don't embrace Gah!", then we'd have a problem with herd mentality. The mere sound of Gah is funny, just like Meh, or Bleh, or Muahahaha. If you wish it to be an intellectual form of satire, then you could say the satirical element is that it goes against the in a way - in comparison - ridiculously complex spelling and pronounciation of all words in existing languages, and the desire of some cultures to distance themselves from their natural heritage, that they call "barbary". None of these simple sounds that are so easy to pronounce, so natural, are words in our languages. We try to hide between exquisitly pronounced words that few can learn if they didn't learn them from when they were very young kids. Gah is a reaction against this, a reaction against self-denial.

[Pindar]

Have you read Platos Parmenides? A young Socrates is arguing with Parmenides and Parmenides kicks his arse verbally. Now, this is a strong self-criticism, where Plato actually points out some errors of his metaphysical system.

I have read the dialogue. It is one of his later works. There is no clear consensus on just what the point is supposed to be, but it is generally agreed the work can be divided into two parts. What you refer to is in the first section, but the key lies with how one comes to understand the second section.

One question that is fair to ask Plato is, how does new things occur? Have the ideas always been there for every possible imaginable thing?

I think Plato would say the forms have always been there for any innovation. One's new idea doesn't create the form, but rather the new idea is only possible because mind has participated in the already existent form.

Also that last book in the republic really shows me what ancient and flawed his system is. While I, of course, do not discredit him and acknowledge his strong influence, especially on Christian and neoplatonic thought, he, in my opinion, doesnt have a functioning impact on as many issues as Aristotle - who was/is refered to as The Philosopher.

Yes St. Thomas did refer to Aristotle as The Philosopher as he referred to Paul as The Apostle. Even so, Scholasticism always had its rivals as seen in Bonaventure among others and it did not fair so well once the Probabilists came on the scene. I think it is hard to argue Plato's functioning impact is less than Aristotle if not so varied given there are literally billions of Christians who understand their faith along Neo-Platonic lines which of course means things trace back to Plato himself. Regardless they are two of the Triumvirs of philosophy.

[Pindar]

If Gah is retarded herd mentality, then the English language is a retarded herd mentality. Gah is not a political opinion but a language convention at the .org, and inside joke, or a tradition at the most. It's not like we're saying "the holy Gah commands you to kill all who don't embrace Gah!", then we'd have a problem with herd mentality.

Have you not seen polls where the absence of gah brought all sorts of invective and refusals to participate simply because it was missing? The judgment stands.

[Viking]

Have you not seen polls where the absence of gah brought all sorts of invective and refusals to participate simply because it was missing? The judgment stands.

Generalization. Spot on!

[Reenk Roink]

Have you not seen polls where the absence of gah brought all sorts of invective and refusals to participate simply because it was missing? The judgment stands.

I have seen a few, yes. However, bring one example of an invective which matches the offensive nature of your "Gah is for the retarded" comment...

If this is your measuring stick of something being "retarded," surely you will also have to look closer?

[Byzantine Prince]

And you wouldn´t want me to say what I think about your philosophy, it´s all subjective my friend...

I don't subscribe to a single philosophy. Please tell me what you think...

[Lemur]

I guess it's safe to say we shouldn't ask what Pindar thinks of the whole ninjas versus pirates thing. Plato didn't even know about ninjas and pirates, which just goes to show that Plato was a retard.

[Byzantine Prince]

Plato is so boring. Everytime I've read his dumbass dialogues I fall asleep wondering how it could get any more problematic and I always try to not be affected by his flawed axioms and ideas.

What's with all the
"...wouldn't you agree?"
"Certainly, Socrates."

GAH! I don't agree mother*****! ****!

[Lemur]

What's with all the
"...wouldn't you agree?"
"Certainly, Socrates."

Certainly that is true, Byzantine! Please continue! Any man of reason can see how right your argument is. Certainly it is obvious once you explain it.

[Byzantine Prince]

It has thus far been important, my old friend, that we keep our heads where are asses are, so we don't forget that talking like we are intelligent makes all the crap that comes out of our mouth seem pertinent.

[LeftEyeNine]

Axe is as vital as primitive it is. So here it goes:

I don't like Pindar's style over here and no matter how he tries to rationalize that salad-o-philiosophic murmur and incredibly tries to correlate it with the discussion of our beloved retardedishly-simple word called GAH!, "behaving" means much more to me rather than the capacity of thinking. I am a retarded and he does not behave.

*Axe swings..

[Pindar]

Have you not seen polls where the absence of gah brought all sorts of invective and refusals to participate simply because it was missing? The judgment stands.

I have seen a few, yes.

Good we agree.

However, bring one example of an invective which matches the offensive nature of your "Gah is for the retarded" comment...

See post #47.

[Pindar]

I don't like Pindar's style over here...

But, do you like my style of there?

and no matter how he tries to rationalize that salad-o-philiosophic murmur...

I'll type louder.

I am a retarded...

No you're not, you're just special.

[Pindar]

Generalization. Spot on!

The blood of Norway always speak the truth!

[LeftEyeNine]

But, do you like my style of there?



I'll type louder.



No you're not, you're just special.

Still speaking the wise-to-self. I have nothing more to say about this, I was obvious about what I thought. And it was quite predictable that I'd get replied in an ancient sense of humor. Ok, play on, some of us loves you for sure.

[Faust|]

Still speaking the wise-to-self. I have nothing more to say about this, I was obvious about what I thought. And it was quite predictable that I'd get replied in an ancient sense of humor. Ok, play on, some of us loves you for sure.

Just think of how he gets on irl. To me this makes his objectivity suspect, especially so with regards to herd mentality. Certainly someone who sees modern practicality in the philosophy of Plato above all other alternatives is ailing in the area of objectivity. Anyway, the plebe Socrates was the first bloody stool of a terminal Greek culture.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Have you not seen polls where the absence of gah brought all sorts of invective and refusals to participate simply because it was missing? The judgment stands.

In most cases they mean "why is there no 'other' option because none of the alternatives given apply to me". I can't find a single example of Gah protests when that wasn't the case.

[R'as al Ghul]

I guess it's safe to say we shouldn't ask what Pindar thinks of the whole ninjas versus pirates thing. Plato didn't even know about ninjas and pirates, which just goes to show that Plato was a retard.

Gah! Everybody knows that ninjas pwn pirates, cause ninjas are cool and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Good reasoning concerning Plato, though.