Poor Old Turks

**Peasant Phill** · 04-10-2006, 09:07

I have seen the Turks become the biggest power in the world on several occasions. This happens when the Egyptians ally with them and they defeat the Byz. Once they own the steppes there is no stopping them.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 04-10-2006, 17:41

Yes, the Byz are the main problem for the Turks. On-on-one, the Byz always seem to defeat the Turks. But if any third power manages to break Byzantium the Turks can be surprisingly good at establishing themselves as the major eastern power in their place.

I love to play them, challenging starting position, fantastic unit roster.

**bamff** · 04-11-2006, 23:38

Having seen them re-emerge in this current game, I've done a little bit to help them hang around....with my Italians pushing the Byzantines back out of Constantinople, Nicea, & Trebizond (mind you that also helped me a little too - hehehe!). Hopefully I have given the Turks a bit of breathing space to help them get a start....

I also hope it doesn't come back to bite me big time!

**Seyfullah** · 04-12-2006, 06:25

When i played with the Turks, my first game ever, units that i've trained seemed to have over 7 loyalty and every now and then i had unit leaders with high enough acumen. Almost half of the AHC trained in armenia came with a star so i dont know why Turks leave the game early. I noticed this when i played the European factions. Historically, they took down the Byzantines so I dont know wats the problem. Having the Turks in the middle east is interesting for my gameplay at least.

**Martok** · 04-13-2006, 07:28

Originally Posted by Seyfullah

When i played with the Turks, my first game ever, units that i've trained seemed to have over 7 loyalty and every now and then i had unit leaders with high enough acumen. Almost half of the AHC trained in armenia came with a star so i dont know why Turks leave the game early. I noticed this when i played the European factions. Historically, they took down the Byzantines so I dont know wats the problem. Having the Turks in the middle east is interesting for my gameplay at least.

I strongly suspect the Byz and Eggies are programmed so that there's a 95% chance (or better) they'll both go after the Turks early on before they become a threat. (Goodness knows that when *I'm* the Eggies or the Byz, the Seljuks usually die a very quick death.

) It's possible I'm wrong, of course; but I've seen it happen so consistently in the 3+ years I've been playing MTW, that I just can't believe those 2 factions "randomly" decide to wipe out the Turks in almost every single game. I can honestly count on just my two hands the number of times I've seen the poor bastards actually make it to the High Era....

**bamff** · 04-13-2006, 07:43

Yeah - part of the reason I decided to "nurse" them through in my current game is just for the curiousity of never having seen how they fare later on...

It also inspires me to try the Turks on in my next game perhaps....

**bamff** · 04-24-2006, 02:59

Well there you go, nursed the Turks through, kept the Eggies and Byz off their backs, and what happens?

They attack me!

So I am forced to wipe them out after getting them all the way through to 1255....bugger!