Who was the first guy who mentioned Atlantis?
Any historical evidence about it?
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Who was the first guy who mentioned Atlantis?
Any historical evidence about it?
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
I think Plato was the first and only person to mention it.
And to add, he claimed that the source was an Egyptian priest. (Thus the later "Minoan theory" that rose up.)
I think it's Plato's allegory extended once again.
Egyptian priest? Hmmm....
Actually, priests were to be trusted at that time...
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
There are countless mentions of the lost land of Atlantis. There are also remnant people's that lived in the isles that Atlantis might have existed that were like no others, but they were killed off. It is very interesting to also look at the similarities between the minoan civilization and the south american civilizations of argentina and Brazil. They both used the same 'axes' for the same reasons and they have similar words in their languages.
The myth will never be solved I am afraid, but it is still very fun to look through the clues. Try picking up a book on the myth of atlantis.
Plato used an account of the Atlantis story that originally came with Solon to greece, who got it from an egyptian priest in Sais a few generations earlier.
Were the Egyptian priests from Sais credible?
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
I personally was wondering about Plato's own credibility himself (authors often make up their sources to put their point forward, whatever that might be, which ranged from avoiding church persecution of "false" stories (Robinson Crusoe) to just distract the critics (Three Musketeers) and Plato might be one of them), but I have no real study on the subject, so take my word as an opinion+with a grain of salt.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
But if it really descended in Athens (how? Plato was no Solon's descendant, and no Greeks, except Plato, recorded any such telling from Solon, at least to my, admittedly, rather ignorant knowledge) from Solon, then we must wonder if Solon was telling the truth and why did he brought such a strange myth from Egypt out of all that could be taken from real Egypt; and if Solon was real, then the question comes to yours. Which I wonder...
It must be strange for an Egyptian priest to claim that there was a nation once mightier than the Pharaoh of Egypt...
Last edited by AntiochusIII; 04-18-2006 at 01:40.
We must not forget many ancient cultures all over the world have similar stories of a civilization that was destroyed by the sea. The only thing that makes plato's dialogues stand out is the detail that plato goes into about their cities and culture. Given I have only read bits and pieces of his dialogues and have only heard people mention these other stories, of different civilizations not called atlantis, from other cultures.
Solon is a real character, who lived aproximately between 640-560 B.C.
He was the leader of Athens in 584BC, and became one of the 7 "High scholars" of Greece. He travelled to Egypt, but we only have some poetry from him, that's all.![]()
Anyone have the Plato's texts about Atlantida?
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
Well I dont have plato's diologues, but I can give you link to a place where you can read a translated version(english).http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious...d_critias.html You can read it all or just the part that describes atlantis. Critias is the one that goes in depth about it.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Edit: I found another site that lists all of his works http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Plato.html
Last edited by Telys; 04-18-2006 at 10:38.
Thanks Telys.
Any historical excavations about Atlanatis?
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
No problem.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Please explain, I'm kinda slow.Any historical excavations about Atlanatis?![]()
Has any archaeologist excavated for Atlantis?
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
Ah, I am aware of that. He presumably helped establish the foundation of Athenian Democracy or something of sorts before getting exiled. My wording was so bad that when I read it again I got the impression that I was saying something along the lines of "Solon didn't exist." Sorry.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
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I am not aware of any excavations with the direct intention of finding Atlantis, though it wouldn't surprise me much if there are, but didn't get famous because of the lack of results. There are, however, many excavations on historical sites that theorists claimed could be the Atlantis of legend. Namely, the civilization in Peru (the Pyramids in the desert, among others), the coast of India (that underwater city), the Minoan civilization on Crete, Thera off the coast of Greece, even the South China Sea and Indonesia, etc. though the last ones are not excavations but theories alone.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
This is an interesting topic.
Over 250 different peoples and cultures around the world have stories, myths and legends about a great catastrophe that happened in the ancient past that destroyed great civilizations....
One cannot help but wonder about all the hundreds of thousands of books (and the knowledge they contained) that were lost in the great libraries of Alexandria and Constantinople when they were burned down and/or looted.....
In addition to Plato's Critias, another account of a great catastrophe is contained in the book The Epic of Gilgamesh.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story on Earth. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a literary work from Babylonia, dating from long after the time that king Gilgamesh was supposed to have ruled. It was based on earlier Sumerian legends of Gilgamesh. The most complete version of the epic was preserved on eleven clay tablets in the collection of the 7th century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal. It is considered to be the oldest story ever recorded.
To read it go here:
http://gilgamesh.psnc.pl/
or here:
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/...ian/gilgamesh/
Last edited by Pericles; 04-18-2006 at 14:33.
Believe me, that is one of my favourite subjects to talk about, and I hope one day, it will be solved. I hope it will be until I die.Originally Posted by Pericles
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
It is also a favourite topic of mine.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
The Library of Alexandria contained hundreds of thousands of books that had been collected from all over the ancient world. Many of those collected books were from libraries that were even more ancient. For example, the 7th century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal had also collected a huge library of ancient books.
Yet, almost all these books are now lost....
What did these books contain?
Many were literary works; but also many books were about astronomy, science, math, history, philosophy, etc....
It was rumoured that the Library even contained a two volume encyclopdia about the world that had been written before a great catastrophe destroyed it....
Last edited by Pericles; 04-18-2006 at 20:29.
I recall several claims of sites said to be possible ruins of atlantis, ie pyramids on the canary islands. Also the yoniguni monument in japan is believed to have some connection to the stories of an ancient civilization from the chinese, but Im still some what skeptical.Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that great civilizations once existed in the ancient past:
1) The Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings by Charles Hapsgood - Extensively illustrated, this book contains copies of ancient maps (such as the Piri Reis Map) that depict the continent of Antarctica before it was covered in ice. These maps have proven to be authentic. Question is, Who mapped Antarctica and much of the world, prior to history as we know it?
2) Abundant archaeological evidence around the world clearly indicates peoples once existed who had an advanced knowledge of astronomy, math, building techniques, sailing, etc. In addition to huge building sites such as Stonehenge, many Pyramids (in Egypt, South America, China, etc), Easter Island statues, etc, there have also been found ancient batteries, drill bits, and an analog computer (that's been dated to have existed thousands of years ago). In addition, many city sites have recently been found underwater. Some of these submerged cities contain huge temple complexes (such as the ones found off the coast of Japan; the Mediterranean Sea alone contains two hundred submerged cities and towns).
3) There is a great deal of scientific evidence that places the so-called continent of Atlantis right where Plato said it was located. Just two examples:
* Many years after this continent submerged beneath the waves, the passage between the Pillars of Hercules was almost impossible to navigate by ship because of the muddy water and land beneath the water's surface.
* To this day, both birds and sea creatures still migrate to an area of water in the Atlantic Ocean. The trouble is, there is no longer any land existing in this location. Could these creatures, through instinct, be migrating to this location of water because at one time it contained land (and to which their ancient cousins once travelled)?
The more we learn, the less we know....
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I wanna be Bill Gates and fund the finding of the Library.Originally Posted by Pericles
But my greatest wish: The Library to be only mine.![]()
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
hehehOriginally Posted by edyzmedieval
A worthy dream.
When Heinrich Schlieman was 7 years old he told his dad that he was going to find the lost City of Troy (his dad had read stories to him about the city).
Well, his dad laughed of course...
But years later Schlieman became a wealthy businessman and had taught himself a dozen languages, and so he set off to not only find the lost City of Troy, but he also did extensive excavations on the Minoan Civilization.
Many of the greatest discoveries have been done by amateurs who had the courage to dream....
Here is some information on the Piri Reis Map:
In 1929, a group of historians found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin. Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.
His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.
The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier.
The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.
Piri Reis had probably come into possession of charts once located in the Library of Alexandria, the well-known most important library of the ancient times.
According to Hapgood's reconstruction, copies of these documents and some of the original source charts were transferred to other centers of learning, and among them to Constantinople.
Then in 1204, year of the fourth crusade, when the Venetians entered Constantinople, those maps begun to circulate among the European sailors
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On 6th July 1960 the U. S. Air Force responded to Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College, specifically to his request for an evaluation of the ancient Piri Reis Map:
6, July, 1960
Subject: Admiral Piri Reis Map
TO: Prof. Charles H. Hapgood
Keene College
Keene, New Hampshire
Dear Professor Hapgood,
Your request of evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctic, and the Palmer Peninsular, is reasonable. We find that this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap.
The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.
Harold Z. Ohlmeyer Lt. Colonel, USAF Commander
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Read more here:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm
Last edited by Pericles; 04-18-2006 at 21:52.
To be certain, we do not know exactly how old the Egyptian pyramids are, nor the Sphinx.
The only real evidence we have for Cufu being the builder/inhabitant of the great pyramid is a small grafitti carving inside one of the small rooms (constructed for stabilty) above the king's chamber. Beyond that we can only speculate.
The steppyramids are however of the date we assume them to be, and the writing on the walls is actually fairly 'primitive', fitting with their time of suspected construction. So, this lack of evidence might not really be anything.
But the Sphinx is indeed odd. There are simply so many things that do not add up.
You know guys... When I watched National Treasure, and they found it, I said to my GF "Screw the gold and jewels... give me the scrolls of the library in Alexandria." I consider the loss of that knowledge to be the greatest loss for our civlization. Even if we are just dealing with fictious tales and poetry (which I don't read)... The connection to our most early days, to our time of legends.
Who wouldn't like to read Ptolomy's account of Alexander's campaigns? Or the big manual for phalanxwarfare by Polybius? Or the collected works of Fabius Pictor?
We see references to these works in all our most important historical works. And some times they say that those works are what we should look up to get a proper picture of things, ect ect. I pains me to stumble over such mentions.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
Kraxis is deeply right about it.Originally Posted by Me
It's an invaluable loss.
Hey, can't we discuss at the thread that I created about the Library? Dis about Atlantis.
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
I agree.Originally Posted by Kraxis
Despite all the theories and the claims by Egyptologists, we still don't really know who built the Great Pyramid and when it was built.
It has also since been proven that the Sphinx shows signs of having suffered from heavy rain and flood damage. The entire US Geological Society has agreed to this interpretation of the weather damage on the Sphinx.
The problem is that it has not rained in Egypt that heavily for thousands of years; meaning that the Sphinx was built before the Egyptians...
Of course, some orthodox Egyptologists absolutely refuse to entertain such thoughts, since protecting their jobs is more important than advancing our knowledge about our past....
The knowledge that was lost when this library was burned down is absolutely priceless.You know guys... When I watched National Treasure, and they found it, I said to my GF "Screw the gold and jewels... give me the scrolls of the library in Alexandria." I consider the loss of that knowledge to be the greatest loss for our civlization. Even if we are just dealing with fictious tales and poetry (which I don't read)... The connection to our most early days, to our time of legends.
Who wouldn't like to read Ptolomy's account of Alexander's campaigns? Or the big manual for phalanxwarfare by Polybius? Or the collected works of Fabius Pictor?
We see references to these works in all our most important historical works. And some times they say that those works are what we should look up to get a proper picture of things, ect ect. I pains me to stumble over such mentions.
It is interesting that many of the most famous discoveries and ideas that came out of antiquity, came from people who either studied at the Great Library of Alexandria, or who had been librarians in it.
The Alexandrian library flourished for several hundred years, and was the center of cultural development in the west. Scholars from every field of knowledge and every corner of the Hellenistic world came to learn, study and teach at Alexandria. Paid staff included grammarians, historians, astronomers, geographers, mathematicians, physicians, and poets.
One has to wonder what scrolls, books and charts those people were studying....
Is it just mere coincidence that many of the great discoveries that were made in the ancient past came from people who also studied at the Great Library of Alexandria?
Here is a small example of some well-known scholars and their "discoveries":
The First Librarians
While Demetrius was a convert of Serapis and thus probably an official of the new Greco-Egyptian cult invented by Ptolemy, the Serapeum was not yet built at his death and he is remembered neither as librarian of that institution nor at the Museum. The first recorded Librarian was Zenodotus of Ephesus, holding that post from the end of Ptolemy I's reign until 245 B.C.E. His successor Callimachus of Cyrene was perhaps Alexandria's most famous librarian, creating for the first time a subject catalog in 120,000 scrolls of the Library's holdings, called the Pinakes or Tables. It was by no means comprehensive, but was more like a good subject index on the web. Apollonius of Rhodes, his younger rival and the writer of the notoriously meticulous epic, Argonautica, seems to have been Callimachus' replacement. Eratosthenes of Cyrene, Stoic geographer and mathematician, succeeded him in 235, and compiled his "tetagmenos epi teis megaleis bibliothekeis", the "scheme of the great bookshelves". In 195 Aristophanes, a Homeric scholar of no relation to the comic playwright, took up the position, and updated Callimachus' Pinakes. The last recorded librarian was Aristarchus of Samothrace, the astronomer, who took up the position in 180 B.C.E. and was driven out during dynastic struggles between two Ptolemies. While the library and Museum persisted for many centuries afterwards, from that time onward scholars are simply recorded as Alexandrian, and no Librarians are mentioned by name.
Mathematics
Alexandrian mathematicians concerned themselves for the most part with geometry, but we know of some researches specific to number theory. Prime numbers were a source of fascination from the time of the Pythagoreans onwards. Eratosthenes the Librarian dabbled in numbers along with everything else, and is reported to have invented the "sieve", a method for finding new ones. Euclid also was known to have studied this tricky subject.
Eudoxis of Cnidus, Euclid's pupil, probably worked out of Alexandria, and is known for developing an early method of integration, studied the uses of proportions for problem solving, and contributed various formulas for measuring three dimensional figures. Pappus , a fourth century A.D. scholar, was one of the last of the Greek mathematicians and concentrated on large numbers and constructions in semicircles (See Vatican manuscript), and he was also an important transmitter into European culture of astrology gleaned from eastern sources. Theon and his daughter Hypatia also continued work in astronomy, geometry, and mathematics, commenting on their predecessors, but none of their works survive.
Astronomy
Earlier Greek astronomers had concentrated on theoretical models of the universe; Alexandrians now took up the task of detailed observations and mathematical systems to develop and buttress existing ideas.
Eratosthenes, the versatile third librarian, amassed a poetic catalog of 44 constellations complete with background myths, as well as a list of 475 fixed stars. Hipparchus was credited with inventing longitude and latitude, importing the 360-degree circular system from Babylonia, calculating the length of a year within six minutes accuracy, amassing sky-chart of constellations and stars, and speculated that stars might have both births and deaths.
Schemes of the Universe
Aristarchus applied Alexandrian trigonometry to estimate the distances and sizes of the sun and moon, and also postulated a heliocentric universe. Hipparchus of Bithynia, during the reign of Ptolemy VII, discovered and measured the procession of the equinoxes, the size and trajectory of the sun, and the moon's path.
Geometry
The Alexandrians compiled and set down many of the geometric principles of earlier Greek mathematicians, and also had access to Babylonian and Egyptian knowledge on that subject. This is one of the areas in which the Museum excelled, producing its share of great geometers, right from its inception. Demetrius of Phaleron is said to have invited the scholar Euclid to Alexandria, and his Elements are well-known to be the foundation of geometry for many centuries. His successors, notably Apollonius of the second century B.C.E., carried on his research in conics, as did Hipparchus in the second century A.D. Archimedes is credited with the discovery of pi.
Eratosthenes and Spherical Geometry: Calculating the Earth's circumference
The third librarian of Alexandria, Eratosthenes (275-194 B.C.E), calculated the circumference of the earth to within 1%, based on the measured distance from Aswan to Alexandria and the fraction of the whole arc determined by differing shadow-lengths at noon in those two locations. He further suggested that the seas were connected, that Africa might be circumnavigated, and that "India could be reached by sailing westward from Spain." Finally, probably drawing on Egyptian and Near Eastern observations, he deduced the length of the year to 365 1/4 days and first suggested the idea of adding a "leap day" every four years.
Mechanics: Applied Science
Archimedes was one of the early Alexandria-affiliated scholars to apply geometers' and astronomers' theories of motion to mechanical devices. Among his discoveries were the lever and-- as an extension of the same principle-- the "Archimedes screw," a handcranked device for lifting water. He also figures in the tale of the scientist arising from his tub with the cry of "Eureka" after discovering that water is displaced by physical objects immersed in it.
Hydraulics was an Alexandria-born science which was the principle behind Hero's Pneumatics, a long work detailing many machines and "robots" simulating human actions. The distinction between practical and fanciful probably did not occur to him in his thought-experiments, which included statues that poured libations, mixed drinks, drank, and sang (via compressed air). He also invented a windmill-driven pipe organ, a steam boiler which was later adapted for Roman baths, a self-trimming lamp, and the candelaria, in which the heat of candle-flames caused a hoop from which were suspended small figures to spin. His sometimes whimsical application of the infant sciences are reminiscent of the modern Rube Goldberg's "inventions" during the technological revolution of this century.
Medicine
The study of anatomy, tracing its roots to Aristotle (see Andrea's case study on Aristotelian anatomy), was conducted extensively by many Alexandrians, who may have taken advantage both of the zoological gardens for animal specimens, and Egyptian burial practices and craft for human anatomy. One of its first scholars, Herophilus, both collected and compiled the Hippocratic corpus, and embarked on studies of his own. He first distinguished the brain and nervous system as a unit, as well as the function of the heart, the circulation of blood, and probably several other anatomical features. His successor Eristratos concentrated on the digestive system and the effects of nutrition, and postulated that nutrition as well as nerves and brain influenced mental diseases. Finally, in the second century A.D., Galen drew upon Alexandria's vast researches and his own investigations to compile fifteen books on anatomy and the art of medicine.
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Incredible Pericles. Can you please post them in the Library of Alexandria thread? Thanks.
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Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
There is loads of evidence about the existence of Atlantis, and most of it is pseudo-science. The Piri Reis Map is just one example of it. It doesn't show the antartic coast's correct shape and the location is off by hundreds of miles. It probably represents the "southland" often added by Medieval carthographers to their maps. Anyway, why would the Medieval Turks need a map of the Antartic coast if they would bump into ice long before reaching it?
I would like to add that Hapgood nor Von Daniken (who copiedd his work) aren't respected scientists.
I wish I could go deeper into this, but I haven't got my encyclopedia on pseudo-sciences ready. Suffice to say, though Atlantis is one of the biggest entries, the authors still failed to cover everything that has been mentioned about it and everyone who wrote about it. The authors incline to the theory that the Atlantis myth was inspired by the disasters at Krete and Thera and a similar disaster that befell a Greek isle just before or during Plato's life time. They also suggested a link with the myth of Troy. Though Plato IIRC claims the events happend 8000 BC, the translation contains an error turning hundreds into thousands. If so, the fall of Atlantis must be around 1200 BC. This also happens to be the time the Illiad is supposed to take place in.
Last edited by Ludens; 04-19-2006 at 15:48.
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I do agree that we need to separate the silly from the proven. There is a lot of silly stuff written about Atlantis, which I do not agree with....Originally Posted by Ludens
And I do not believe in UFOS and little green men...
You are confusing two subjects: Atlantis with the Piri Reis Map.
The Piri Reis map does NOT depict Atlantis. This map has nothing whatsoever to do with Atlantis.
The Piri Reis Map depicts land masses that were unknown at the time of the map's creation (in 1513).
The Piri Reis Map has been proven to be authentic, not only by Turkish and US scholars, but also by the USAF 8th Reconnaisasance Technical Squadron (Strategic Air Command).
In addition to the Piri Reis Map, there are many other ancient maps which also depict land masses that should not have been known about at the time those maps were drawn:
There is the "Dulcert's Portolano", year 1339, where the latitude of Europe and North Africa is perfect, and the longitudinal coordinates of the Mediterranean and of the Black sea are approximated half a degree.
An even more amazing chart is the "Zeno's chart", year 1380. It shows a big area in the north, going up till the Greenland. "It's impossible" says Hapgood "that someone in the fourteenth century could have found the exact latitudes of these places, not to mention the precision of the longitudes..."
Another amazing chart is the one drawn by the Turkish Hadji Ahmed, year 1559, in which he shows a land stripe, about 1600 Km. wide, that joins Alaska and Siberia. Such a natural bridge has been covered by water due to the end of the glacial period, which increased the sea level.
Oronteus Fineus was another one who drew a map of incredible precision. He too represented the Antarctic with no ice-cap, year 1532.
There are maps showing Greenland as two separated islands, as it was confirmed by a polar French expedition which found out that there is an ice cap quite thick joining what it is actually two islands.
What one cannot explain; one dismisses...
Last edited by Pericles; 04-19-2006 at 16:42.
Hi.Originally Posted by Ludens
Some people object to certain things without having taken the time to fully do research on the topic.
It is not my job to convince you or anyone else; if one has made up one's mind about something, then all the evidence in the world will mean nothing.
However, I have Hapgood's book of the Ancient Sea kings.
One must remember that sea levels have risen and fallen over time. The map depicting Antarctica probably shows the land mass before a significant rise in sea levels occurred (in other words we are seeing more land that is visible than what now presently is showing).
That Turkish Admiral was a well-respected Admiral who was well known for his leadership and meticulous cartography. He probaby had access to the libraries in Constantinople. On the map he drew, the famous Piri Reis Map, he clearly notes that he drew his map based on many other more ancient source maps, including maps from the time of Alexander the Great.
Antarctica was simply not known about at the time he drew his map (1513). It compares favourably with the seismic mapping of Antarctica in 1949.
Hmmmm... interesting that you lump Hapgood with von Daniken.I would like to add that Hapgood nor Von Daniken (who copiedd his work) aren't respected scientists.
I think von Daniken is a phoney.
Hapgood, on the other hand, is a Professor. He did not find these maps. He, in addition to many other scholars, have taken the time to study the maps. In addition, he has also taken the time to have many of these maps authenticated by outside, international scholars, all of whom have declared these maps to be authentic.
I should also note that Einstein corresponded with Hapgood and agreed with many of his interpretations.
With all due respect to your encyclopedia on pseudo-sciences, but may I suggest you do some outside reading? Many of these types of encyclopedias are put together by people who do general and questionable research, and who write these books for the mass public which corresponds to "fixed" and orthodox views of the world.I wish I could go deeper into this, but I haven't got my encyclopedia on pseudo-sciences ready. Suffice to say, though Atlantis is one of the biggest entries, the authors still failed to cover everything that has been mentioned about it and everyone who wrote about it. The authors incline to the theory that the Atlantis myth was inspired by the disasters at Krete and Thera and a similar disaster that befell a Greek isle just before or during Plato's life time. They also suggested a link with the myth of Troy. Though Plato IIRC claims the events happend 8000 BC, the translation contains an error turning hundreds into thousands. If so, the fall of Atlantis must be around 1200 BC. This also happens to be the time the Illiad is supposed to take place in.
Time-and-time again, new discoveries have proven old ideas to be absolutely wrong.
For centuries, it was believed that the world was flat; that Troy was just a myth; that Pompeii never existed; that the Hittites were a fabrication; etc, etc...
Most famous discoveries were done by amateurs who stood outside the orthodox sciences and followed their hunches based on their acquired knowledge of the world.
Orthodox archaeology and history refuse to entertain any ideas that do not agree with their fixed ideas about the past. These "professionals" are trapped within their mindsets and value their careers over exploring new fields of ideas and evidence.
One needs to do more outside reading based on respected authors. Believe me, there is more under heaven and earth, than is contained in anyone's narrow ideas....
Last edited by Pericles; 04-19-2006 at 16:49.
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