Expert Mode easier than Hard?

[rvg]

Now, I must confess that I never played on Hard mode. However, comparing Expert mode to Normal, I notice that the +4 morale bonus the A.I. gets is actually a double edged sword.

On one hand, A.I. units are difficult to rout, but on the other hand, A.I. seems to fight relentlessly even after their core troops have been crushed. A.I. keeps sending its fresh re-enforcements into the meat grinder even when the battle is hopelessly lost.

If only that +4 morale bonus worked on the strategic map, but no, the A.I. is still a wuss there.

[Ghost of Rom]

If only that +4 morale bonus worked on the strategic map, but no, the A.I. is still a wuss there.

You are right about that RVG.

[Asmodai]

Hmm, i must agree with above posts, but i observed, that A.I. is quite smarter than in normal.

I played HRE(again ) and my crusading army was attacked by three full stacks of egyptian soldiers. And they attacked in waves. They had superior general(6 stars in command if my memory is good, and few morale boosting virtues...horrible). I thought, that he will be in the first line of attack, and he actualy was....but not in my sight when his first line(composed of infantry crap) impacted into my lines. After very long and hard fight, my line beated off his first line, but they were to tired to search and destroy that enemy commander. And the second wave came to me and again, bloody and hard fight. My army was anihilated by the third wave, and the only my commander(having about 15-18 valour) and several feudal men at arms(with valour near 10) withdrawed from battle. On my side, not a single unit broke, they were all anihilated. And on muslem side was similar. They losses in each unit reached 70%-100% and fleeing units was rare sight.

I never seen that before, cos A.I. usualy not use superior numbers to his advantage.....he rather picks strongest units of infantry in the first wave, and general is near(as i may write from that day) always is with the first wave.

[cutepuppy]

Maybe the general just retreated from battle. Since the 2.01 patch, generals tend to leave the battlemap if they are part of a heavily depleted unit.

[Maloncanth]

It depends on how good you are with the tacticals. If you're good with them then of course, you'll gain position on the AI every time. I'm one of the guys that can't do that. If I played on expert, I'd simply autoresolve every single battle. I dunno if that'd actually be harder since I botch so many tacticals, but I imagine it would. :p

[gaijinalways]

The expert level is more difficult, and the tactics seem slightly better. As to the AI building better units, yes and no. The stats are better on the units the AI fields, though of course the AI doesn't seem to take advantage of all the tech advntages it might have (or could have).

[Asmodai]

Maybe the general just retreated from battle. Since the 2.01 patch, generals tend to leave the battlemap if they are part of a heavily depleted unit.

If general leaves the battlefield it is always message about enemy general running away. And he had full unit of ghulam bodyguards, and he actualy camped near own point of reinforcements. He entered to the melee with the third wave of the troops, and then, he take losses(i killed about half of his unit, but the enemy scoundrel survived, and was able to kill lots of my troopers...)

A.I. tactics on expert is far more better than in hard. Furthermore, computer seems to cheat on economy. cos raising and upkeeping that amount of troops, and in addition, normal structure build up is impossible for only 4000 florins. So i dont think, that hard level is harder than expert.

[Vladimir]

If general leaves the battlefield it is always message about enemy general running away. And he had full unit of ghulam bodyguards, and he actualy camped near own point of reinforcements. He entered to the melee with the third wave of the troops, and then, he take losses(i killed about half of his unit, but the enemy scoundrel survived, and was able to kill lots of my troopers...)

If the enemy general runs away you receive a message that the general is running away. If he withdraws from battle you see him withdrawing from battle as your mounted X-bows try in vain to catch up (that is, if you're me).

[Odin]

Now, I must confess that I never played on Hard mode. However, comparing Expert mode to Normal, I notice that the +4 morale bonus the A.I. gets is actually a double edged sword.

On one hand, A.I. units are difficult to rout, but on the other hand, A.I. seems to fight relentlessly even after their core troops have been crushed. A.I. keeps sending its fresh re-enforcements into the meat grinder even when the battle is hopelessly lost.

If only that +4 morale bonus worked on the strategic map, but no, the A.I. is still a wuss there.

Great points and discussion.

The once cavaet to the meat grinder scenario is that the AI is still attacking and chances are your losses will be greater then they would have if the AI simply retreated. Thats definately battle specific but the chances of taking more losses to your troops make it harder. Replacement costs, retraining, or loss of elite troops is all part of the consideration.

I concede its a small part, but a relentless attacking AI means you have to have adequate troops to deal with them. I am not ashamed to say that on expert level there have been times when I havent fielded enough melee troops and have had to use archers to mop up.

Was it harder? Tactically not really but the expense of the battle was greater to my nation. Additionally I have found that I have to bring a larger force to bare against the +4 morale bonus which, as stated increases the cost of the battle for me.

[Maloncanth]

I don't think the AI cheats on the economy in the campaign map or economy on expert. I've played expert and hard never noticed any campaign map differences. Frankly, the strategic AI is idiotic no matter what difficulty you set it to. The only difficulty I find in Expert is that I'll lose 80% of my tactical battles, which basically means I'll press auto-resolve on most of them and still win. It's not really that much more difficulty, just a lot less fun.

EDIT: Of course, on expert, rebellions are more serious business than they usually are on hard, but on the other hand, it affects everyone, and the player tends to be smarter on loyalty management anyway.

[rvg]

I don't think the AI cheats on the economy in the campaign map or economy on expert. I've played expert and hard never noticed any campaign map differences. Frankly, the strategic AI is idiotic no matter what difficulty you set it to. The only difficulty I find in Expert is that I'll lose 80% of my tactical battles, which basically means I'll press auto-resolve on most of them and still win. It's not really that much more difficulty, just a lot less fun.

EDIT: Of course, on expert, rebellions are more serious business than they usually are on hard, but on the other hand, it affects everyone, and the player tends to be smarter on loyalty management anyway.

As far as tactical AI is concerned, on Expert I would rate it as 'Slightly Moronic' as opposed to 'Almost Brain Dead' on Normal.

[bretwalda]

I was paying careful attention to the discussion here, but did I make the correct conclusion? I felt that actually playing on Hard is more fun than on Expert because in Expert the tactical/strategical inability is countered by sheer numbers of the AI armies...?

[Vladimir]

On hard XL, the AI tends to not overproduce troops and wreck their economy. Even on expert though, you should easily be able to defend against 4-to-1 odds in less you don't have a decent hill to stand on. You just have to kill the general and time your cav charges right.

[rvg]

I was paying careful attention to the discussion here, but did I make the correct conclusion? I felt that actually playing on Hard is more fun than on Expert because in Expert the tactical/strategical inability is countered by sheer numbers of the AI armies...?

No, the A.I. doesn't get any advantage it troop quantity, but rather in troop quality. A.I. units fight better and are far more difficult to rout, in fact, most decent troops would persevere through the death of their general, provided that their army hasn't been completely destroyed.