Quote Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
When that heartbeat stops, he or she dies. And if we make it stop, then that is murder.
Quote Originally Posted by Zorba
So I'm a murderer. Or I would be willing to be.

I need to take a break from the backroom.
Some words of caution here as we touch a very tricky issue here. I understand DA's point (and that of other pople who strictly oppose abortion) - if you consider a fetus at a ceratin stage to be equivalent to a human being - aborting/killing has to be consequently considered as murder.

However, if you - like Zorba do not consider the fetus the equivalent of a human being, then you do not consider abortion to be murder and naturally take exception to being called a murderer.

I think the discussion here would benefit from focusing on the core questions, e.g. (at what stage) is a fetus equivalent to a human being (or close enough to be considered one), thus subjects of the same (or similar) basic rights of a "born" human being.
The answer any of us would give to the above question already implies the opinion about what abortion is - no need for assigning potentially offensive labels to whoever disagrees with your view.

Isn't circumcision a massive deviation from the subject?
It is - if there is enough interest to discuss this issue, please start a new thread