Any new spartan unit in the making?

**jerby** · 04-17-2006, 20:43

Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

well aren't there pies who have a layer of pudding? hmmm.
pudding pie...

this is getting too complicated for me

next thign we need is a pie-cake to make the confusion whole...

**Moros** · 04-17-2006, 22:10

Originally Posted by jerby

this is getting too complicated for me

next thign we need is a pie-cake to make the confusion whole...

a pie wich has a layer of puddig is complicated? they exist tough, I've eate a lot of them. But never eard about a pie-cake tough.

Oh well you can't help it, you are just Dutch. (here we go again, long time tough)

**paullus** · 04-18-2006, 03:21

You would think it wouldn't be tooo terribly difficult, with the battle against Pyrrhus taking place in the exact year of the EB start. But its quite problematic. Here are a couple of thoughts I have:
1) Sparta has gotten wealthier, and many Spartiates *may* have had lax discipline compared to their forbears.
2) Some sort of elite Spartan unit existed. Mentioned in Plutarch's Pyrrhus, they kill Ptolemaios in a rear guard action in the Argolid before being crushed by Epirote cav. These would probably be the unit EB would want to create. Funny thing about this unit, one of the soldiers in it (the one who killed Ptolemaios) is described as a Kretan, so unless he was a special case (he is noted for his size and skill), the "epilektwn lakedaimoniwn" (Plut. Pyrrh. 30.6) may not have even been composed of equals at that time (perhaps because the numbers were so small).
B2) If we take these as the unit, they are noted as impetuous, and HIGHLY effective.
C) Spartan units eventually fight as phalangites...these could be represented through existing units.

**jerby** · 04-18-2006, 08:38

Originally Posted by Gertgregoor

a pie wich has a layer of puddig is complicated? they exist tough, I've eate a lot of them. But never eard about a pie-cake tough.

Oh well you can't help it, you are just Dutch. (here we go again, long time tough)

not gonna start again, drank some belgian beer . ate some belgian chocolat. some of my sports-equipment came from belgium. so it's all good. I see now that you can't help living in an inferior country

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 04-18-2006, 15:34

It's mostly the question of things like embellishments on the armor - if we have a metal cuirass instead of a linen one, could it have engravings on it? Could the greaves have some decoration? Is the helmet purely smooth, or would some design on it be acceptable? Some low level Hellenic units even have helmet decoration, so is it too strict to say these can't?

We pretty much have agreed to drop any pattern on the cloak and any fancy border on it - that was the big first move.

**Kampfduck** · 04-18-2006, 16:53

We pretty much have agreed to drop any pattern on the cloak and any fancy border on it

hmm,
but wasnt it mentioned before, that spartan hoplites didnt were there cloaks when they go to battle?

**Dayve** · 04-18-2006, 19:26

Make them naked like the Gaestae.

**Urnamma** · 04-19-2006, 17:50

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

It's mostly the question of things like embellishments on the armor - if we have a metal cuirass instead of a linen one, could it have engravings on it? Could the greaves have some decoration? Is the helmet purely smooth, or would some design on it be acceptable? Some low level Hellenic units even have helmet decoration, so is it too strict to say these can't?

We pretty much have agreed to drop any pattern on the cloak and any fancy border on it - that was the big first move.

We all know my opinion ;)

**Imperator of rome** · 04-19-2006, 17:55

I would rather see the more historical unit....looks kinda odd when Spartans have outdated equipment.

**QwertyMIDX** · 04-19-2006, 21:22

The question isn't so much whether or not to use a historian skin, the question is what exactly is historical. We're debating that at the moment.

**fallen851** · 08-02-2006, 06:35

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

We pretty much have agreed to drop any pattern on the cloak and any fancy border on it - that was the big first move.

Uhh this is getting bad, there won't be a cloak will there be?

All the sources I've read say the Spartans never wore their cloaks in combat, they left them in the camp.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 08-03-2006, 16:56

There are cloaks on the unit. I didn't supply the specs for the unit equipment - maybe the person who did will post, but I doubt it unless the conversation gets heated.