Modern democratic communism.
My definition of this stupid thing called the EU. Yours?
Your definition of the EU
Modern democratic communism.
My definition of this stupid thing called the EU. Yours?
Ja mata, TosaInu. You will forever be remembered.
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The Future.
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HMM democratic communism which is paying polish farmers for not working
John Thomas Gross - liar who want put on Poles responsibility for impassivity of American Jews during holocaust
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A debate club for bureaucratic P-U-$-$-I-E-$.
An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
RIP Tosa
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A great idea, poorly executed.
"Look I’ve got my old pledge card a bit battered and crumpled we said we’d provide more turches churches teachers and we have I can remember when people used to say the Japanese are better than us the Germans are better than us the French are better than us well it’s great to be able to say we’re better than them I think Mr Kennedy well we all congratulate on his baby and the Tories are you remembering what I’m remembering boom and bust negative equity remember Mr Howard I mean are you thinking what I’m thinking I’m remembering it’s all a bit wonky isn’t it?"
-Wise words from John Prescott
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Democracy Stickers
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An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
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An attempt to make every country in Europe civilised.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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An attempt to swindle me out of my hard earned cash to forever disappear into a murky financial black hole to line EU appointees pockets.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
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Sounds about right.A great idea, poorly executed.
When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondsmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bound, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty. - John Ball
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The European Onion is a classic example of politicians being unable to trust the voters.
As an economic policy, it was inevitable. As a political union, it has great potential to demonstrate diversity of culture does not mean constant war. But it has to be a confederacy based on democracy, not bureacracy.
Devolve power to the lowest practical level (away from the nation state towards the people) and strip away the meddling bureaucrats and quasi-governmental institutions, and we might just have something worthy of a constitution.
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A good idea poorly execute sounds about right.
As for me, national governments should be replaced by a sistem of governors (1 of each nationality, appointed to any other country), and a truly central european government.
This could probably make the politicians open their eyes on other countries worries/problems/difficulties and potential, thus governing for all the european people instead of just for themselfs (its wishful thinking i know.....).
In war, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
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A good way to isolate the British on their stinking island :p
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Europes precurser to there own Majlis as-Shura.
An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Identity Melting Pot.
Somewhere We Are Forced But Never Belong To.
Cheap Democracy Stickers (revised version 2.0).
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I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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An idiotic confederacy that is doomed to go the same way as all of the other confederacy's.
Thats precisely what comes to mind when I think of the EU. The way it seems to be working the EU is almost identicle to the Articles of Confederation. Kind of curious if it will take near civil war to get it to work though. From what I've heard on this board, the French seem to be egging on the arguments.Originally posted by Redleg
I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
Without a strong central government unions are always doomed to fail. The EU's authority has no bite, and when your trying to unite countries that have been waring against each other for centuries it wont work. If the EU ever starts to look like a real entity the governmental structure will more then likely mimic the USA's federal republic. Seeing as becoming more like the USA would be the bane of France and alot of other countries over there at this current time I doubt the EU will last much longer.
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Fedral goverments are the bane of human excitince.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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The biggest problem with the EU is that nobody defends but everyone is willing to blame it.
When something good comes out of it every politician try’s to take credit for him or his party.
When something bad happens it’s always the EU who’s to blame.
No wonder negative thoughts arise.
I’m not saying mistakes haven’t been made, I’m not saying it doesn’t need a lot of work.
But be reasonable and look beyond the obvious.
If the EU fails every country in it will go with it sooner or later.
We just can’t compete if we don’t unite!
And remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I consider the European Union as one of the hardest schemes man has ever attempted.
To bring so many cultures, nationalities, languages, borders,… together isn’t something you do lightly.
Plus, if so many different people with so different ideas can unite under on concept.
Maybe, just maybe we proof we can live amongst each other without the endless fighting for petty differences.
Be patience and help the construction of this great and noble undertaking.
In the long run it will payoff.
This is very true, but pleas remember that you can’t compare the EU with the USA.Originally posted by Redleg
I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
Al these countries have gone trough centuries of development.
Every single nation has established it own ideas and believes “long ago”.
The biggest problem is we have to unite without the loss of certain traditions, believes or specific privileges.
Sure, some will have to do a lot of water in their wine.
The question is, is everybody willing enough to discard certain things for a greater cause?
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Actually the EU project can't be compared with anything in the past. That's why there are so different views regarding which path should be taken, no historical examples exist. Rather, the EU itself will set a precedent for all similar future attempts. It's been already mentioned as a model for latin american integration during the Cuzco Summit (with a timeline which actually focuses around 2020 heh).
I wouldn't support the notion that the EU is a well defined idea that has gone astray in its implementation, because there were simply no certain plans, only broad strokes about some basic steps that at some point would lead to a federation/confederation. I 'd say that when refering to the EU, one should keep in mind that it's a constant process, not a condition. After all the EU is just the sum of its members.
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I should add:
To bring so many cultures, nationalities, languages, borders,… together Peacefully isn’t something you do lightly.
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Upxl, I thank you to save me to write that, with more talent that I have. EU started in order to make peace in a continent which never had a so long peaceful period, thank to EU. Development of Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain are on the credit of E.U after suffering years of dictatorships. Not as vassals, but as partners. And it is new under the sky.
I should prefer a Federation than a Confederation, but I know the obstacles, languages, States prerogatives, foreign policy etc. However, I think a Constitution, minimal but on the basic agreed values, I think like the one of the U.S of A, adapted to the old continent should be a plus. Not like the one proposed last year, this was too constraining. Or perhaps my idea of the US constitution is wrong.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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The EU is the way we remain relative and important in international relations - we being the EU nations - while strenghening and improving the lives of every member of it. Without the EU every nation would be lost and insignificant, not to mention worse off.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Originally Posted by Upxl
Wasn't comparing Europe with the United States. Just the closest past description that I know of that somewhat models what is going on with the EU at this time.
Its weak comparsion but as you noted there are some similarities that bring it as a relative comparsion for the discussion.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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Now I know you have an advanced sense of humour.
Was that cut and pasted from the New Labour website?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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the great civilisation suicide club
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Now I know you have an advanced sense of humour.
Was that cut and pasted from the New Labour website?
Sorry, but fail to see the amusing part in this?
Brenus, I thank you to add important matters which I have forgotten.
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
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EU: What happens when you bypass the democratic stage of voting for your leaders and put the civil servants in charge. It is a self-serving bureaucratic entity that in a bizarre way gives EU members a third entity to blame on their inability to get along. This dissipation of mutual hatred to a third party means that in effect the EU bureaucracy acts as a heatsink more then a place of intellectual strategy.
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A Social Experiment (much like the rest).Modern democratic communism.
My definition of this stupid thing called the EU. Yours?
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Bigger does not make it better. Local control rather than global.
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