Latino Land

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I saw some stuff on the "O Reilly Factor" and "hannity and colmes" about the latinos wanting a new country with the land from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. I tried to find a link on FoxNews, but couldn't find one. The new land is (from what I heard, which may not be right) called Aslan or something.

Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?

[Strike For The South]

They can take Texas when they pry it from my cold dead hands I think your talking about the illegal immgrant riots there were things said along thoose lines. My above point stands however

[GeneralHankerchief]

about the latinos wanting a new country

I don't buy that.

Wasn't the whole point of the protests the fact that illegals wanted the same rights as actual Americans?

American rights won't do them much good if they're not in America.

[Strike For The South]

I doubt it.... I will not tolerate this flag I will not tolerate having to leran spainish I will not tolerate the unwashed hordes coming over my border. Send them back shut the borders off. These people come and make pockets of poverty we donot need and destroy culture

[solypsist]

i can see where this is going.

"unwashed hordes?"

typing in a political and cultural opinion can be done, properly and effectively, without stooping to such levels of language.

if country bashing is not allowed herethen this sort of thing (in the terms below) isn't, either.

you know - i just came back, a few hours ago, from what was a fantastic trip from austin through the hill country to dfw and i left feeling good. as silyl as it may sound to some, i really did feel a sense of state pride wash over me as i saw streets with historic names like san jacinto and san saba. the capper was reading a cormac mccarthy book on the plane back to nyc. now after seeing this post i have nothing but a sour feeling about my former home; i think overreactive posts make texas look bad. thanks a lot.

I doubt it.... I will not tolerate this flag I will not tolerate having to leran spainish I will not tolerate the unwashed hordes coming over my border. Send them back shut the borders off. These people come and make pockets of poverty we donot need and destroy culture

[Redleg]

i can see where this is going.

"unwashed hordes?"

typing in a political and cultural opinion can be done, properly and effectively, without stooping to such levels of language.

if country bashing is not allowed herethen this sort of thing (in the terms below) isn't, either.

you know - i just came back, a few hours ago, from what was a fantastic trip from austin through the hill country to dfw and i left feeling good. as silyl as it may sound to some, i really did feel a sense of state pride wash over me as i saw streets with historic names like san jacinto and san saba. the capper was reading a cormac mccarthy book on the plane back to nyc. now after seeing this post i have nothing but a sour feeling about my former home; i think overreactive posts make texas look bad. thanks a lot.

Did you take any good pictures of the Hill Country. Some of the best Terrian is in that part of the state. The Devils Backbone was one of my favorite Drives coming out of San Marcos.

[Strike For The South]

Sour Feeling? Becuase I dont want Texan culture underminded? Soly I know your smatter than that. Acouple of points

-There here illegaly in the first place

-They drive down wages to the point were no one else will work that job becuase it isnt enough money to sustain themsleves

-With there low wages they are forced to buy/rent substandard housing further creating proverty and probably sustaing it into future generations

-Many make no attempnt to assamilte they wave there flags and speak Spainish in public settings which goes agianst "wannting to be American in the first place"

-Its not only them its the spineless poloticans on captiol hill who are letting this happen and wont do anything.

So we have a illegal group of people who are hurting the economy and promoting proverty while making no attepmnts to assimalte and the poloticans who wont do anything and you dont care?

I live in the hill country it is bueatiful

[Alexanderofmacedon]

ON TOPIC: Have any of you heard what I'm talking about?

[JimBob]

Aztlan is, some chicanos believe, a 'racial zion'. Aztlan happens to be the American Southwest it was big during the 60s and 70s with the chicano movements. The Brown Berets and such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlan#...fied_as_Aztlan

[Redleg]

Aztlan is, some chicanos believe, a 'racial zion'. Aztlan happens to be the American Southwest it was big during the 60s and 70s with the chicano movements. The Brown Berets and such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlan#...fied_as_Aztlan

They still exist but are much more low key then in the past. I saw some of the standard protest signs from the Aztlan movement - ie the land is stolen and other such signs - but all in all they were not very representive of the majority of the protests or protestors.

[Soulforged]

Sour Feeling? Becuase I dont want Texan culture underminded? Soly I know your smatter than that. Acouple of points

Sorry to dissapoint you STFS but culture is ever changing you cannot anchor it where you please. Besides that culture will be "undermined" even if the inmigrants were legal.

-They drive down wages to the point were no one else will work that job becuase it isnt enough money to sustain themsleves

Is there a link to know how this econimic process takes place?

-With there low wages they are forced to buy/rent substandard housing further creating proverty and probably sustaing it into future generations

Again another economic information that shocks me...

-Many make no attempnt to assamilte they wave there flags and speak Spainish in public settings which goes agianst "wannting to be American in the first place"

This is funny I thought that "wanting to be American in the first place", meant something in the lines of freedom of something, maybe you can remember it. To you then, they cannot speak they native language in public, because in some strange way it "undermines" your culture or offends your morallity? How does this all works, I'm stunned...

...unwashed hordes...

I wash myself every day, can I go?

[Strike For The South]

Sorry to dissapoint you STFS but culture is ever changing you cannot anchor it where you please. Besides that culture will be "undermined" even if the inmigrants were legal.

No culture isnt ever changing espacilly not this qucikly

Is there a link to know how this econimic process takes place?

Its simple a man gets paid 10$ hr for a job then another man comes along saying he will do it for 5. It is happening.

This is funny I thought that "wanting to be American in the first place", meant something in the lines of freedom of something, maybe you can remember it. To you then, they cannot speak they native language in public, because in some strange way it "undermines" your culture or offends your morallity? How does this all works, I'm stunned...

Yes freedom but you first must speak english accept the culutre ETC. Then you can speak spainsih or play with you culture.

I wash myself every day, can I go?

If you are going to try to portray me as a gringo racist you couldnt be farther from the truth the illegals and regular mexicans are completly diffrent.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

No culture isnt ever changing espacilly not this qucikly



Its simple a man gets paid 10$ hr for a job then another man comes along saying he will do it for 5. It is happening.



Yes freedom but you first must speak english accept the culutre ETC. Then you can speak spainsih or play with you culture.



If you are going to try to portray me as a gringo racist you couldnt be farther from the truth the illegals and regular mexicans are completly diffrent.

SFTS, best friend is Mexican, don't you guys forget it...

[Soulforged]

No culture isnt ever changing espacilly not this qucikly

Yes it's. Every time you learn a new word on spanish and speak it to your fellow man you're inititing a long process of change.

Its simple a man gets paid 10$ hr for a job then another man comes along saying he will do it for 5. It is happening.

Sorry but that's not as simple as it sounds. When you've an stable employee who works for 10/h you don't have to pay his training, or pay his the recesion of the contract (is that the expression in english?), nor waste any time, wich may cost a lot more to your company than to pay less salary. Companies very rarely change all employers simply because they want more salary than others, for moral reasons and for prudential reasons as well.

Yes freedom but you first must speak english accept the culutre ETC. Then you can speak spainsih or play with you culture.

So if I go as a turist I should learn to speak english first? Should it be a fluent english? Should I learn to spell it right? Should I know to express every sentence in it? Freedom of expression means exactly that. Beyond that matter I don't see why? Is there some higher purpose in your desire?

If you are going to try to portray me as a gringo racist you couldnt be farther from the truth the illegals and regular mexicans are completly diffrent.

I don't know you, I'm in the internet. However that was only a friendly joke, and sarcastic, I'm pretty sure that you didn't meant to call all latin americans "unwashed hordes" did you?

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I'm pretty sure that you didn't meant to call all latin americans "unwashed hordes" did you?

I don't stick up for him much, but Anthony didn't mean it that far...

[Strike For The South]

[QUOTEYes it's. Every time you learn a new word on spanish and speak it to your fellow man you're inititing a long process of change.][/QUOTE]

Maybe but primary culture shouldnt change. I may leran spanish but I will always use english first. Just as they can speak spanish but must leran englisha and use it in public domain.

Sorry but that's not as simple as it sounds. When you've an stable employee who works for 10/h you don't have to pay his training, or pay his the recesion of the contract (is that the expression in english?), nor waste any time, wich may cost a lot more to your company than to pay less salary. Companies very rarely change all employers simply because they want more salary than others, for moral reasons and for prudential reasons as well.

Excepct Texas is a right to work state where employess may be termanated at any time for any reason with no benifits.

So if I go as a turist I should learn to speak english first? Should it be a fluent english? Should I learn to spell it right? Should I know to express every sentence in it? Freedom of expression means exactly that. Beyond that matter I don't see why? Is there some higher purpose in your desire?

Being a tourist and illegal are 2 diffrent things and incomparable Id help you if you were just a tourist.

I don't know you, I'm in the internet. However that was only a friendly joke, and sarcastic, I'm pretty sure that you didn't meant to call all latin americans "unwashed hordes" did you?

right were on agreement on that.

Edit: I have to send you a story in espanol

Edit2: Thanks AOM

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Edit2: Thanks AOM

Just a Texan helping a Texan

[Divinus Arma]

Aztlan is the reclaimation of the "original latino land". Radical latino groups like mecha propogate this in the chicano underground. The mayor of Los Angeles used to be a Mecha member, as was California Lt. Governor Bustamante.

There is a very real effort by many mexicans to retake this area, not for a new country, but to join with the old.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Aztlan is the reclaimation of the "original latino land". Radical latino groups like mecha propogate this in the chicano underground. The mayor of Los Angeles used to be a Mecha member, as was California Lt. Governor Bustamante.

There is a very real effort by many mexicans to retake this area, not for a new country, but to join with the old.

Hmmm...interesting.

[Soulforged]

Maybe but primary culture shouldnt change. I may leran spanish but I will always use english first. Just as they can speak spanish but must leran englisha and use it in public domain.

My point is that it's ever changing. I would tell you something and then I'll ask you some questions. First I don't have any problem with any one who comes here and talks his own language in public, what's your problem with that? Really I want to understand that. Second, how do you think it "undermines" your culture? Or even better...name the three favourite elements of your culture and let's see if they're actually incompatible with say...mine... Even if they're actually incompatible or even contradictory it doesn't mean that they can't live together.

Excepct Texas is a right to work state where employess may be termanated at any time for any reason with no benifits.

Have you seen any legal texts or something on that? It should have some limits. Besides the cost is already great, and the mechanics of salary, employement and inflation can turn pretty bad for companies by doing this kind of things unchecked.

Being a tourist and illegal are 2 diffrent things and incomparable Id help you if you were just a tourist.

Yes they're a different thing. However my point is that I'm going to talk spanish with my friends, for example, when I'm there, in public. Does that undermine your culture? If not then what undermines it?

Edit: I have to send you a story in espanol

As you please ¡Mandámela cuando quieras!

Aztlan is the reclaimation of the "original latino land". Radical latino groups like mecha propogate this in the chicano underground. The mayor of Los Angeles used to be a Mecha member, as was California Lt. Governor Bustamante.

Long live anarquism!!!

[scooter_the_shooter]

I dont want to go OT.... but do any of south western orgah know any thing about ranch rescue. They seem kind of like minute men but hardcore. I am making a thread about them ,post some info there please, they seem pretty interesting...

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I'm always entertained that Texas was part of an independent Mexico for something like 15 years.
Before that it was a SPANISH colony that saw several attempts to become independent from the SPANISH empire.

Now some of the mixed Indian/White Mexicans appear to claim to be dispossessed Aztecs who have decided that Texas is part of a mythical Aztec homeland (which if it ever existed was further south anyway).

I love this sort of stuff, almost as funny as the white people being devils that were created by a mad scientist on the moon to torture blacks stories from the more weird black nationalists.

Bah! people.

[Major Robert Dump]

That would be funny for them to start their own country, especially when they started crossing back over the border for jobs and to get free stuff.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

That would be funny for them to start their own country, especially when they started crossing back over the border for jobs and to get free stuff.

especially if they tried to get back into Mexico...Have you compared the Mexican and U.S. immigration laws? They're good and harsh, the way immigration laws should be.

Viva Mexico! (but in Mexico)

[yesdachi]

especially if they tried to get back into Mexico...Have you compared the Mexican and U.S. immigration laws? They're good and harsh, the way immigration laws should be.

Viva Mexico! (but in Mexico)

I was listening to the radio the other day (the Sean Hanity show I believe) and they read parts of the Mexican constitution, it was hardcore and clearly not followed.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I was listening to the radio the other day (the Sean Hanity show I believe) and they read parts of the Mexican constitution, it was hardcore and clearly not followed.

You should watch the TV show on FOX News.

[BigTex]

Originally posted by Soulforged
First I don't have any problem with any one who comes here and talks his own language in public

They don't just speak it in public, the speak it in school, workplace, everywhere. Most do not bother to learn english, this cuases chaos. Mexicans have always been apart of Texas, quite a few have been here for generations and are Texans.

Second, how do you think it "undermines" your culture?

The culture change occurs becuase your getting millions of people flooding in and setting up small neighborhoods. You can now go to almost anywere in Texas and find a taco, but gluck finding that barbecue place. The culture also occurs becuase we are importing massive amounts of poverty. When they get here they will still live in poverty becuase they work for 5$'s an hour.

Have you seen any legal texts or something on that? It should have some limits. Besides the cost is already great, and the mechanics of salary, employement and inflation can turn pretty bad for companies by doing this kind of things unchecked.

You can be fired for not tieing your shoe lace, for having a bad hair day. There are no limitations to it, though after you are fired, you could sue. Company's have been exchanging expierenced labor for cheap labor for awhile now, and yes it has driven down the wage. There are quite a few jobs that used to pay 10$'s that now pay minimum wage.

Originally posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
I'm always entertained that Texas was part of an independent Mexico for something like 15 years.
Before that it was a SPANISH colony that saw several attempts to become independent from the SPANISH empire

Texas was only briefly part of the mexican country. Soon after mexico gained independance from spain, Texas begain its revolution to overthrow the tryany of Santa Anna. We gained independence from mexico, and became the only country to become a US state.

Aztlan is the reclaimation of the "original latino land". Radical latino groups like mecha propogate this in the chicano underground. The mayor of Los Angeles used to be a Mecha member, as was California Lt. Governor Bustamante.

especially if they tried to get back into Mexico...Have you compared the Mexican and U.S. immigration laws? They're good and harsh, the way immigration laws should be.

Something we agree on Taff. Mexican immigration laws are insane compared to ours, if you get cuaght you have a good chance of dieing in one of their prisons. They do not punish people though who immigrate back across to mexico from the US, that would hurt their ecomony that is based on illegal immigration. Mr. Fox has even said in a couple speaches that their economy was based on illegal immigration. The mexican government even hired a US publicity company to help sway American opinion to let the illegal immigration continue. In fact those treason bast**ds are located right here in dallas. They also have hired lobbiest to lobby congress to keep the borders open.
The mexican government only applys their immigration laws on their southern border, to prevent south american immigrants from sneaking through and getting to the US. They have most of their army at work on their southern border preventing their illegals from getting in and screwing up their economic plan.

There is a very real effort by many mexicans to retake this area, not for a new country, but to join with the old.

They can take it from my cold rotting coffin.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Texas was only briefly part of the mexican country. Soon after mexico gained independance from spain, Texas begain its revolution to overthrow the tryany of Santa Anna. We gained independence from mexico, and became the only country to become a US state.

Just to clarify, I was saying that it's insane that some Mexicans claim Texas: a couple of years as part of Mexico compared to much longer in other constitutional arrangements. Spain's got a better claim to it than the nation of Aztlan or whoever.

I heard that the native americans of the southwest have started to take some defensive measures due to the influx of Mexicans and others across their border land. You know, the real natives rather than the half white/half indian Mexicans who want to claim that description.

[BigTex]

Just to clarify, I was saying that it's insane that some Mexicans claim Texas: a couple of years as part of Mexico compared to much longer in other constitutional arrangements. Spain's got a better claim to it than the nation of Aztlan or whoever.

I heard that the native americans of the southwest have started to take some defensive measures due to the influx of Mexicans and others across their border land. You know, the real natives rather than the half white/half indian Mexicans who want to claim that description.

Yes it appears I got confuzzled about that, It sounded like you were supporting mexico's claim to Texas. Thanks for the clarification. Yeah the Aztecs never even got close to the rio grande as their border. There's a huge mountain range thats nothing but desert seperating the aztecs land from CA, AZ, TX, NM. Their claims are ridicolus.

Yes I heard about the native american tribes begining to amp up restrictions on illegals. Quite a mess we seem to have.

[yesdachi]

You should watch the TV show on FOX News.

I’ve seen it a few times and like it, but it comes on at the same time as my little ones bath and bed time, and that is a no “potentially bad dream inducing show” time zone.