Strawman argument, Tribesman.
Nope , someone bought it up , so ...
b) discuss the arguments/ideas brought forward by other patrons
How about you come back to where the focus of the topic is? Are people entitled to receive something for nothing?
How about a better focus on the topic .
How can the state
not provide welfare for those of its citizens that need it ?
Charity ? Far too hit and miss , and no less safe from the abuse , outright theft , mismangement , misdirection and wastefulness than government charity is , and that is what welfare is , government charity .
The difference is that everyone who earns or spends contributes when it is government charity .
So you have a focus on some people who get benefits for doing nothing , yeah its terrible , such a scandal , outrageous , shocking .
How are they any different to the politician who claims expenses for nothing , the executive who does a dodgy deal under the table , the ordinary worker who fiddles his tax return , the businessmen who declares himself bankrupt again and again , the octogenarian who transfers all their assets to avoid death tax ?
All cost far more than welfare cheats , and they are all getting something for nothing .
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