How do you get Hellenistic Kataphraktoi

**Joeokar** · 04-19-2006, 19:50

Hellenistic Kataphraktoi how you get them as Arche Seleukeia?

**GMT** · 04-19-2006, 19:54

I believe one of your generals should get the "intrigued by cathapracts" trait, after fighting pahlav cathapracts

**Joeokar** · 04-19-2006, 19:57

Originally Posted by GMT

I believe one of your generals should get the "intrigued by cathapracts" trait, after fighting pahlav cathapracts

Thanks

**Mujalumbo** · 04-19-2006, 20:01

Yeah. "Intrigued by kataphraktoi." However, I could've swore somebody said your family member has to lose to an enemy force with kataphraktoi before he gets that trait. *shrug*

My question is, what counts as "kataphraktoi?" Does that include the armoured horse archers with the sky-high charge value?

**edyzmedieval** · 04-19-2006, 20:17

Thanks for telling. Never knew that.

**Ludens** · 04-19-2006, 21:02

Basically you get them after a set date, perhaps 107 BC (IIRC an EB member stated that as yet all reforms are coupled to the Roman ones), but if one of your generals is defeated in a battle with Kataphraktoi being present on the opposing side (Phalava I assume; I don't think there are triggers for Sauromataen or Bactrian Kataphraktoi) he can get a trait ("Intrigued by Kataphraktoi") that may lead him to develop them earlier. The EB traiters have not yet revealed how this trait works.

Also, don't expect them to replace Heitaroi. Hellenistic Kataphraktoi lack both the maces and the elan of the Phalava elite and were always held second to the Heitaroi.

**Joeokar** · 04-19-2006, 21:10

Originally Posted by Ludens

Basically you get them after a set date, perhaps 107 BC (IIRC an EB member stated that as yet all reforms are coupled to the Roman ones), but if one of your generals is defeated in a battle with Kataphraktoi being present on the opposing side (Phalava I assume; I don't think there are triggers for Sauromataen or Bactrian Kataphraktoi) he can get a trait ("Intrigued by Kataphraktoi") that may lead him to develop them earlier. The EB traiters have not yet revealed how this trait works.

Also, don't expect them to replace Heitaroi. Hellenistic Kataphraktoi lack both the maces and the elan of the Phalava elite and were always held second to the Heitaroi.

Oh thanks for the info.

**edyzmedieval** · 04-19-2006, 21:35

Originally Posted by Ludens

Basically you get them after a set date, perhaps 107 BC (IIRC an EB member stated that as yet all reforms are coupled to the Roman ones), but if one of your generals is defeated in a battle with Kataphraktoi being present on the opposing side (Phalava I assume; I don't think there are triggers for Sauromataen or Bactrian Kataphraktoi) he can get a trait ("Intrigued by Kataphraktoi") that may lead him to develop them earlier. The EB traiters have not yet revealed how this trait works.

Also, don't expect them to replace Heitaroi. Hellenistic Kataphraktoi lack both the maces and the elan of the Phalava elite and were always held second to the Heitaroi.

At least this is entirely historical. I used to build up massive stacks of Kataphraktoi with Seleucids, then crush everybody.

**Krusader** · 04-20-2006, 00:15

The Intrigued-trait can be obtained by Seleukid AND Baktrian generals.

The plan is that when a general has faced the Pahlavan or Armenian cataphracts and been defeated by them I think (Im not entirely sure, so do not take this as 100% true) you should be able to train them later or at once. This is currently not ingame me thinks.

As a sidenote, we also had a cataphract reform for the Yuezhi in which if they conquered certain central asian settlements they would get access to Yuezhi Cataphracts.