New Technology May Force Ad Viewing

[Fragony]

I only watch the news, I hate watching television, it's an evil energy draining-device. This will make me hate it even more.

[Rodion Romanovich]

The ad forcers haven't realized there is an invention called VHS tape or DVD, on which you can record the TV programs and watch them, say 1 hour after and fast forward past the ads... The day they put ads by chemicals in the air or into my dreams I'll build a mini-nuke and detonate it in the closest city's industrial area.

[Idaho]

BBC =

[doc_bean]

You would be surprised if I told you you are not all that far off... Its CRAAAAAAZY

cool, we'd be like ants !

Ahem..I've argued before that we should make share owners morally responsible for what 'their' company does. We're doing all this to ourselves !

[A.Saturnus]

You would be surprised if I told you you are not all that far off... Its CRAAAAAAZY

Is it Priming? I love Priming! You can read minds with it. Oops... said too much

Or in 20 years time, maybe directly into your brain. (Ok, this last one is just speculation, but don't tell me it doesn't sound impressive).

Yeah! Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS). In 20 years, maybe we can stimulate specific brain regions to make you think certain things.

Imagine yourself on a bus on the way to work thinking:
"Now, if that bus driver doesn't drive like a granny, I even may get in time ###COCA COLA### ...argh, were was I? Oh yes, can't afford to be late again. The boss is already pissed because of the ###NIKE###."

[yesdachi]

All this talk is reminding me of the subliminal messages that were banned from movies back in the day.

There are also subliminal visuals. In fact years ago, laws were passed banning subliminal visuals suggestions. They were used in drive-in movies. Within regular film were imbedded frames that showed a soft drink. These imbedded frames couldn't be seen by the naked eye (conscious mind), however, the subconscious mind was unduly influenced by them to cause the person to want and purchase the soft drink or whatever was being shown. The visual subliminal messaging was banned as an ethic consideration, i.e., you should have the right to know what someone is trying to sell you.

With the right liberal interpretation one could consider subliminal advertising more ethical because then the viewer isn’t forced to suffer thru a commercial.

[doc_bean]

Is it Priming? I love Priming! You can read minds with it. Oops... said too much



Yeah! Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS). In 20 years, maybe we can stimulate specific brain regions to make you think certain things.

Imagine yourself on a bus on the way to work thinking:
"Now, if that bus driver doesn't drive like a granny, I even may get in time ###COCA COLA### ...argh, were was I? Oh yes, can't afford to be late again. The boss is already pissed because of the ###NIKE###."

And you do research to advance these things ????


O well, the sooner we can join the Hive Mind, the better I guess...

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Anyone know anything about Belgian gun laws ?

[SwordsMaster]

Of course noone can put stuff into your brain against your will, besides it is kinda pointless, because you may or may not be in position to do what the ad tells you to do and you will have forgotten all about it by the time you do get the opportunity.

What I'm trying to say, is: imagine you are walking down a commercial street in your local area, and you walk by a shop where you've bought something before, they "could" implant into your brain the knowledge of all their offers and promotions of objects similar to the one you bought, kinda like Minority Report, but more subtle.

[A.Saturnus]

With the right liberal interpretation one could consider subliminal advertising more ethical because then the viewer isn’t forced to suffer thru a commercial.

And also because they don't work. The mysterious powers of subliminal messages are a psychological myth.

What I'm trying to say, is: imagine you are walking down a commercial street in your local area, and you walk by a shop where you've bought something before, they "could" implant into your brain the knowledge of all their offers and promotions of objects similar to the one you bought, kinda like Minority Report, but more subtle.

Hmm, "implanting knowledge" would be difficult - at least if I understand you right - because of the complex nature of memory. It would be easier to "make people decide that they want something".


No, no, I don't do research on something like that, really not.

[Byzantine Prince]

Television for the most part is brain-rot. Why anyone would want to watch Lost, or Survivor, or The Bachelor is beyond me. Maybe their lives are so meaningless that they have to waste their time that way. If they really freeze channels to commercial then people will turn away from the networks that do that and move to being creative or watching the BBC. So there is no real downside here.

[ShadesPanther]

The ad forcers haven't realized there is an invention called VHS tape or DVD, on which you can record the TV programs and watch them, say 1 hour after and fast forward past the ads.

I do that with SKY+ when Watching 24 or Battlestar Galactica or some other programs that are on.

[doc_bean]

Why anyone would want to watch Lost, or Survivor, or The Bachelor is beyond me.

Lost and Temptation Island are about the only two shows I watch these days. Lost used to be a pretty interesting show, but near the end of the first season it seems to have lost its drive, I watch it because I have the time and it's something different (watching tv) than what i usually do.

Temptation Island I watch with a couple of friends, we just laugh and drink all through the show, nothing actually happens on the show and it's utterly boring if you actually pay attention. But with a group of friends, just making fun of the 'contestants' and telling random stories when it gets too boring, it can be quite fun.

[Blodrast]

And also because they don't work. The mysterious powers of subliminal messages are a psychological myth.

Do you have any links or pointers about this ? I'm genuinely interested.

[Papewaio]

Imagine yourself on a bus on the way to work thinking:
"Now, if that bus driver doesn't drive like a granny, I even may get in time ###COCA COLA### ...argh, were was I? Oh yes, can't afford to be late again. The boss is already pissed because of the ###NIKE###."

If that came true I would shove everyone who was a part of its creation into an oven and whistle while doing it. For once mass murder would be a boon to humanity.

[yesdachi]

And also because they don't work. The mysterious powers of subliminal messages are a psychological myth.

I’m These are sure not the that’s what they droids you’re want you to looking for think.

[BigTex]

I’m These are sure not the that’s what they droids you’re want you to looking for think.

They don't neccesarily work in the same way most people think. There have been many study's in this area, and they work basicly like any add. Adds and subliminal messages often work the same way yawns are contagious or laughter spreads. By flashing a message briefly like "hungry" you might catch it and not notice, and by the suggestion you may be reminded that you are indeed hungry and havent eaten dinner. But it is often more effective to show a big plate of barbecued brisket with a side of roasted potatoes and carrots. Then going through all that trouble of flashing for a frame that message.

[yesdachi]

They don't neccesarily work in the same way most people think.

I know how it really works, I’m just being smart.

What I think is really interesting is the way TV shows ands movies are doing more product placement. A great example is the Sopranos, where they are always careful to place the box of doughnuts with the label toward the camera. It may not be subliminal but anytime you see someone else drink or eat you cant resist thinking “would I like to be doing that?”.

[A.Saturnus]

Do you have any links or pointers about this ? I'm genuinely interested.

I don't have a link but it's common knowledge in psychology. Actually there has never been a controlled experiment about it (only one highly suspicious one), but it would contradict some well-tested psychological theories.

If that came true I would shove everyone who was a part of its creation into an oven and whistle while doing it. For once mass murder would be a boon to humanity.

No you wouldn't, we'd make sure of that.

[mercian billman]

Television for the most part is brain-rot. Why anyone would want to watch Lost, or Survivor, or The Bachelor is beyond me. Maybe their lives are so meaningless that they have to waste their time that way. If they really freeze channels to commercial then people will turn away from the networks that do that and move to being creative or watching the BBC. So there is no real downside here.

I watch Reality TV with my friends and we mostly just make fun of the contestants and bemoan the downfall of western civilization (My Super Sweet Sixteen and Daddy's Spoiled Little Girl come to mind.) Plus we do it while were at work, so in a way were getting payed to watch crappy television.

Obviously I would not watch those show's in my free time, or would I?

[Avicenna]

yeah...hmmm speaking of that, why can 2 or 3 generations of mice grow immune to eating a small bit of poison when humans have been injesting the poison alchohol for thousand of years and we still react the same to it, are the mice really just better or did our ancestors just get a lot more hammered than we do...mabey this should be in the drunken thread.

It's only a select group of mice who have become immune. Us humans haven't had very many exposed to poisons until some develop some kind of immunity and spread it out to others through having a whole litter of kids who in turn each have their own litters, all anti-poison.

[Blodrast]

I don't have a link but it's common knowledge in psychology. Actually there has never been a controlled experiment about it (only one highly suspicious one), but it would contradict some well-tested psychological theories.

ok, no worries. I was actually interested in experiments - theories are, well, theories