Castro responsible for Kennedy´s death?

**Haudegen** · 04-20-2006, 20:24

Last night I watched a new documentary film about the backgrounds of President Kennedy´s assassination.

http://www.wdr.de/tv/dokumentation/r..._dem_tod.phtml

Sorry, German link

I´ll try to summarize:

The reporter met some former members of the Mexican and Cuban secret service. Another source is a CIA member named Laurence Keenan. They say that Lee Harvey Oswald met a Cuban agent in Mexico City who ordered the assassination.

Furthermore the documentary film tells that John F. Kennedy´s brother Robert ordered the killing of Fidel Castro. However these attempts were prevented by Cuban secret service. Castro was not amused of this. He contacted a Colombian journalist and told him that further attempts to kill him may have consequences... His intention was to give a warning to the Kennedys.

However Robert Kennedy started another attempt, Castro was not amused and Oswald came into play.

After Kennedy´s death the new President Lyndon B. Johnson was very soon informed that there were traces that lead to Cuba. But he decided to abort all researches and to close the case. The reasons for this, says the documentation, were these:

1. The fear of being driven into a nuclear war after the public uproar.
2. The fear of a long lasting swing to the right (politically) in the American people

What do you think of this version of the story? I think it´s rather sound, certainly better than those CIA conspiracy theories as it was presented in the Oliver Stone movie. It also gives another explanation why the US are maintaining their strict attitude towards Cuba even after Cold War is some time ago (Yes, I am also aware of the exiled Cubans in Florida and their political influence

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**Soulforged** · 04-21-2006, 00:13

Originally Posted by Haudegen

What do you think of this version of the story? I think it´s rather sound, certainly better than those CIA conspiracy theories as it was presented in the Oliver Stone movie. It also gives another explanation why the US are maintaining their strict attitude towards Cuba even after Cold War is some time ago (Yes, I am also aware of the exiled Cubans in Florida and their political influence

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USA mantains a hard possition against Cuba because they're from the "other" family. I've seen a lot of legislation passed out only to keep bussiness with communists at bay.

And though JFK was not based on hard evidence, it didn't seem like a conspiracy theory, for one, the assassination of Oswall showed that he was only an expiatory.

**Haudegen** · 04-21-2006, 08:16

Originally Posted by Soulforged

USA mantains a hard possition against Cuba because they're from the "other" family. I've seen a lot of legislation passed out only to keep bussiness with communists at bay.

Hmm, that doesn´t really convince me. When was an authoritarian regime alone a sufficient reason for trade embargos? 20 years ago communism was seen as the threat no.1 to the western world. But now? Trade with China increases steadily. Maybe that way the chinese government will become more and more liberal. Even some embargos against Libya have been repealed. Why is Cuba treated differently?

Originally Posted by Soulforged

And though JFK was not based on hard evidence, it didn't seem like a conspiracy theory, for one, the assassination of Oswall showed that he was only an expiatory.

The movie insinuates that someone within the US organized the assassination. As far as I remember there are hints about the military-industrial-complex which is typically a subject in conspiracy theories.

I´ve found an English website which tells the story in better words than I could:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...04/wkenn04.xml

**Csargo** · 04-22-2006, 07:01

Originally Posted by Haudegen

Hmm, that doesn´t really convince me. When was an authoritarian regime alone a sufficient reason for trade embargos? 20 years ago communism was seen as the threat no.1 to the western world. But now? Trade with China increases steadily. Maybe that way the chinese government will become more and more liberal. Even some embargos against Libya have been repealed. Why is Cuba treated differently?

I think that the embargo is still on Cuba because Castro is still in power and the American government doesnt want anything too do with Castro with all the trouble he's caused them but thats just my opnion.

**Haudegen** · 04-22-2006, 07:32

Yes, that´s what I think, too.

But the details on what Castro did to annoy the US is open for debate in this thread.

**Brenus** · 04-22-2006, 10:35

I know I will upset people but if Castro killed Kenney, where is the problem? A far as I know, the C.I.A tried few times to kill Castro, under Kennedy Administration. They mounted the Pig Bay operation to kick him out of Cuba. These are not nice things to do. So if Castro secret services were better, that is fair game, isn’t it?

I personally doubt that the Cubans had the means to do so, but…

**Soulforged** · 04-22-2006, 18:57

Originally Posted by Haudegen

Hmm, that doesn´t really convince me. When was an authoritarian regime alone a sufficient reason for trade embargos? 20 years ago communism was seen as the threat no.1 to the western world. But now? Trade with China increases steadily. Maybe that way the chinese government will become more and more liberal. Even some embargos against Libya have been repealed. Why is Cuba treated differently?

I never said I makes sense

. I still think that it's because they're communist, maybe they want them to fail, maybe they want to set a code of honor for all people living in USA. The case with China is different perhaps because, as you said, Cuba or maybe just Castro, have a hot history with the USA, and because China is much more powerful, and is quickly becoming competent in a lot of areas, so it could be an economical threat in the future, better to let them join the free world and smash them in the competence.

The movie insinuates that someone within the US organized the assassination. As far as I remember there are hints about the military-industrial-complex which is typically a subject in conspiracy theories.

Yes they're, but you're also forgetting that there's hidden documents in the files of the CIA, at least that's what the movie states. I think it's more about the things that the goverment hides from his people than about conspiracy theories.

**Devastatin Dave** · 04-24-2006, 16:42

Originally Posted by Brenus

I know I will upset people but if Castro killed Kenney, where is the problem? A far as I know, the C.I.A tried few times to kill Castro, under Kennedy Administration. They mounted the Pig Bay operation to kick him out of Cuba. These are not nice things to do. So if Castro secret services were better, that is fair game, isn’t it?

I personally doubt that the Cubans had the means to do so, but…

Doesn't upset me. Kennedy was the worst thing to happen to this country. Castro's back on my Christmans card list if its proven he did do it. Of course I'll send him a "Season's Greetings" card since he's a godless little commie, but a lovable one at that, just ask JAG and Tachi...

**Watchman** · 04-24-2006, 16:58

The old fart does have an attitude, anyway.

If the Cubans really were behind Johnny-boy getting his cranium perforated, I'd say that's pretty embarassing for the US intelligence agencies. I mean, they've tried to snuff Castro something like a dozen times (and by really kooky plots in some cases, apparently), and the pesky Commies manage to whack a Prez of theirs in one go...? Kinda pathetic, really.

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...you know, the little cynic in me just started wondering if the supposed anti-Kennedy elements in the relevant agencies (of whom there AFAIK was no shortage of after the Bay of Pigs if nothing else) let the Cubans pull their little stunt out of sheer spite...

That'd at least be a new angle to the rather worn JFK conspiracy theories, neh ?

**Bulawayo** · 04-25-2006, 13:25

I would go for something like this

**yesdachi** · 04-25-2006, 14:34

It seems as reasonable as any of the other hundred theories.

If I were Castro I would hire an independent studio to make a movie out of it portraying him as the victim. It would be great publicity for him and it would be another dig on the US that everyone wants to make right now. “Kennedy got what he deserved, Castro’s healthcare plan is the best, down with the US!”

**Haudegen** · 04-25-2006, 17:01

Originally Posted by yesdachi

It seems as reasonable as any of the other hundred theories.

Yes, of course. But the film showed some evidence that was IMHO more convincing than those numerous theories on JFK. But that´s my opinion. Perhaps you get to see the film someday and can decide for yourself.

BTW: Bulawayo, read this one, too?

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/EO11110.htm

Originally Posted by yesdachi

If I were Castro I would hire an independent studio to make a movie out of it portraying him as the victim. It would be great publicity for him and it would be another dig on the US that everyone wants to make right now. “Kennedy got what he deserved, Castro’s healthcare plan is the best, down with the US!”

But since Castro doesn´t seem to have an operable plan for healthcare yet this amazing project is still suspended

**yesdachi** · 04-25-2006, 19:00

Originally Posted by Haudegen

BTW: Bulawayo, read this one, too?

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/EO11110.htm

Well the story seems as full of question marks as others but it made me read up on “Silver Certificates”. Now that I’ve learned something new I’m done for the day and I’m going home!