Quote Originally Posted by Watchman
Well, what there was was a rank police state. What there is now is borderline anarchy, civil war, and warlords.

I'd say the improvement is marginal.

The important point, however, is that it didn't have to turn out that way. Thanks to the bungling of Bush and the Boys it did. Anyway, the exact only thing they can do that is even remotely ethical is to stick in and fix the mess they made, since the alternatives are worse. Plus it's generally considered proper to clean after yourself.

Wanting to get the UN and the "will of the world" involved strikes me as downright perverse, given that both were against the invasion in the first place and had their warnings not only ignored but a lot of rude insults thrown their way...
I agree with most of what you say, my only additional comment would be that the improvement is currently marginal but has the potential to be significant if we clean up after ourselves.