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    I am just speechless, how could any human do this?

    FOR the crime of staging a children’s show, Faud Radi and Haidar Jawad were executed by the new moral guardians of Baghdad.

    The actors were part of the Happy Family Team, a troupe adored by millions of Iraqi children from its frequent appearances on television. The theatrical group and a dozen others were planning an 11-day festival to help youngsters to forget momentarily the curfews, bombings and other dangers of daily life in this city.
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    The father and grand-father in me just tells me this is wrong, in any context. I'm ashamed to be included in the same genetic group as these so-called human beings.
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    Well.. this is just.. shocking.

    I'm speechless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius
    Well.. this is just.. shocking.

    I'm speechless.
    Same here!

    How could anyone do something so… so horrifying?
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    MEh...

    There's worse things that happen in the world.

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    Edit: Worked now.

    Pretty sad indeed
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    Wow , Iraq has some really serious theatre critics nowadays .

    i seriously doubt anyone in their sane mind would execute people for entertaining children.
    Well you never know , I suppose there are plenty of people who would like to execute Jacko for entertaining children .

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    Sadening

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    Not to sound like an arsehole but..

    There's worse things that happen in the world.
    Hits it on the nail. It is sickening when things like this happen, but it's sadly common, and as BP said, worse things have happened, are happening, and will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiciar
    Hits it on the nail. It is sickening when things like this happen, but it's sadly common, and as BP said, worse things have happened, are happening, and will happen.
    Well then what can we discuss -what's the quality ?

    Furthermore, as things go worse towards a civil war in Iraq, this is another significant indicator of how "liberation" plans messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    Well then what can we discuss -what's the quality ?

    Furthermore, as things go worse towards a civil war in Iraq, this is another significant indicator of how "liberation" plans messed up.

    Thumb rule : Do not stick your nose into a geography of which you don't have the vital info about..Assuming that you reeeeally wanted to help.
    Ah I see so its somehow Americas fault these kill innocent men.
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    Well, certainly worse things are happening in the world (that we also are doing nothing about) - genocide in the Sudan for example. However, this happened on our watch and under our noses, because of our occupation.

    It is our fault, because we didn't go in with enough troops, and remain below the military manpower limit needed to prevent such things.
    Now the idea (Rummy, Cheney and the other Bushys') is that the Iraqi's have to do it (police) themselves - which is exactly what occured here. The mind police of the Taliban policing those that would make a child smile or laugh - by executing them. That, to me, is the real crime here. It demonstrates just how weak we are in Iraq, and how ignorant we are about the region.

    More's the pity, that we did not (do not) see the importance of protecting such people. How else does one win the "hearts and minds", but through their children?
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    How bad does it have to get?

    Before what? We have to start policing the whole world?
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    The country needs police, not soldiers. Sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiciar
    Hits it on the nail. It is sickening when things like this happen, but it's sadly common, and as BP said, worse things have happened, are happening, and will happen.
    Yes, many worse things happen, but we must never allow ourselves to become desensitised to the least suffering.

    This incident is particularly poignant as it symbolises an attempt at the destruction of hope. Iraq needs all the hope it can get, and the courage of those who continued the events despite the killings should be saluted. It is they, not the men with guns of either side, who change the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    MEh...

    There's worse things that happen in the world.
    Following that logic, what is the worst thing that have happened, is happening or will happen, since that would be the only thing worthy of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Ah I see so its somehow Americas fault these kill innocent men.
    If you want a rough result, you may choose that option.

    Whole West is rightfully crying out for the rise of Islamic terrorism, however the kingpins of the gang have mastered such a good plan in Iraq that the land had never been so convenient for Islamic terrorism to thrive and rule.

    Well done.

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    Meh...

    People who hold the glory of a god higher than human life should be killed in the name of humanity.

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    Well, the silver lining is, I suppose, that this is hardly going to curry support for these militias amongst the locals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
    People who hold the glory of a god higher than human life should be killed in the name of humanity.
    Or perhaps we all just stop killing, for whatever reasons?
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    Well, I remember that there was a man who taught along the lines of "Wouldn't it be nice if people were nice to each other" a couple of thousand years ago. Surprisingly, he got killed.

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    Well, if you mean genocides, that's just the same thing but on a massive scale really. Unprovoked killings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    If you want a rough result, you may choose that option.

    Whole West is rightfully crying out for the rise of Islamic terrorism, however the kingpins of the gang have mastered such a good plan in Iraq that the land had never been so convenient for Islamic terrorism to thrive and rule.

    Well done.
    This men wernt infidels or westerners they were street performers this isnt about the west its about insanty.
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    This men wernt infidels or westerners they were street performers this isnt about the west its about insanty.
    Is that the Pontius Pilate routine SFTS ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiciar
    Not to sound like an arsehole but..
    Get used to it if you are going to agree with me.

    Following that logic, what is the worst thing that have happened, is happening or will happen, since that would be the only thing worthy of discussion.
    Well, it isn't worthy of discussion if 15-30 people have died from this type of sadly common event from the time this peice of news aired till now.
    Last edited by Byzantine Prince; 04-23-2006 at 23:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    This men wernt infidels or westerners they were street performers this isnt about the west its about insanty.
    You still do not get the idea of my post, do you ?
    Last edited by LeftEyeNine; 04-23-2006 at 17:10.

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    There's worse things that happen in the world.
    Worse than the murder of hope?
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    Definitely agree with the fac that the logic "there are worse things..." is deeply flawed - for sooo many reasons, some of which (very good ones) were already stated.
    It is a very sad event indeed.

    oh, and btw, I remember there was a great big number of outraged posts when someone said "Meh" referring to the 9/11 deaths (following the same logic, that more people than that die every day in car crashes/Africa/whatever).
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    Misleading Vividness comes to mind. Look that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
    You still do not get the idea of my post, do you ?
    I get it. Big bad America comes in and screws everything up. Which I might listen to if it made any bit of sense but these wernt troops or cops or goverment leaders they were men performing a puppet show America has nothing to do with this. Its sick men with a sick idelogy hiding behnid the guise of the infidel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    This men wernt infidels or westerners they were street performers this isnt about the west its about insanty.
    Is that the Pontius Pilate routine SFTS ?
    Youve lost me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Misleading Vividness comes to mind. Look that up.
    Sociopath. Look that up.

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